Shazam (Billy), Cyborg & Aquaman vs. Frankenstein, OMAC & Citizen Steel

By your same logic piercing durability feats for the Guardian Hal blasted through? Because that's the logic your using..

You'd also have to prove the power of the construction blast is greater. Which would be hard to do given Hal was blasting at Darkseid during Darkseid Wars to no effect as well.

There's a point when excuses are just excuses...

It's weird cause about 10 issues in Wonder Woman knocked Hal on his assistant just by stomping on the ground. Diana is weaker than Superman.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125203/4174598-2837939145-justi.jpg

40 issues in Orion the weaker son of Darkseid manhandled Hal. That's several issues to be a rookie in... and Orion is Superman esque.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MSrXLITYhvA/VDSjgCvs_LI/AAAAAAAAtWg/i2K-th_8HBM/s1600/orion%2Bvs%2Bgl%2B1.jpg

Not exactly Hal but the entire Corps didn't have any effect where they were piercing in Darkseid's body in Darkseid War. Hell Hal with several corps members were failing to restrain Grail who is weaker than Darkseid.

Hal's construct power has never shown to hurt Darkseid in this present continuity.
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/wonder-woman-defeats-grail-and-darkseid-darkseid-war-2.png
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Hell in regards to statements Superman compared Mongul's strength to Darkseid and Diana was able to beat Mongul and Non by herself. And I also don't see Supes and a amped Batman beating Darkseid themselves.

Aquaman also has statements where he's referred to as one of the strongest people on Earth or in Last Days of Superman where he was recruited to make Vandal's most powerful army. Doesn't mean much. By statements Aquaman also took hits from someone he suggested strikes harder then Superman.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
By your same logic piercing durability feats for the Guardian Hal blasted through? Because that's the logic your using..

You'd also have to prove the power of the construction blast is greater. Which would be hard to do given Hal was blasting at Darkseid during Darkseid Wars to no effect as well.

There's a point when excuses are just excuses...

It's weird cause about 10 issues in Wonder Woman knocked Hal on his assistant just by stomping on the ground. Diana is weaker than Superman.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125203/4174598-2837939145-justi.jpg

40 issues in Orion the weaker son of Darkseid manhandled Hal. That's several issues to be a rookie in... and Orion is Superman esque.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MSrXLITYhvA/VDSjgCvs_LI/AAAAAAAAtWg/i2K-th_8HBM/s1600/orion%2Bvs%2Bgl%2B1.jpg

Not exactly Hal but the entire Corps didn't have any effect where they were piercing in Darkseid's body in Darkseid War. Hell Hal with several corps members were failing to restrain Grail who is weaker than Darkseid.

Hal's construct power has never shown to hurt Darkseid in this present continuity.
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/wonder-woman-defeats-grail-and-darkseid-darkseid-war-2.png
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NDIcklbcGaw/V0e3QYW6TrI/AAAAAAAUq-A/nb-b7WbMU1MiTbL9asRxEdvDJmoisf3TACLcB/s1600/05_05.jpg

DS War Darkseid is far more powerful than JLA Origins Darkseid, you f*cking moron.
The Hal that killed the Guardian is vastly superior to rookie Hal, you f*cking moron.
Krona's durability was ridiculous, and you'd know that if you read the arc, you f*cking moron.

Since you ignored every one of these points once you got stomped on them:
Concession accepted on you purposely misleading about the tridents being the same.
Concession accepted on Rao getting pierced due to magic/weakened.
Concession accepted on Aquaman never having withstood a continuous mountain-destroying attack.
Concession accepted on Hercules never shrugging off a mountain
Concession accepted on one-panel Aquaman/Frankenstein being anywhere near close to showing them as peers when compared to Frankenstein/OMAC full issue fight.
You're literally trolling/spamming the thread by ignoring every point of this discussion.
Now go back to school, kid. 2nd grade teacher is waiting for you.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Hell in regards to statements Superman compared Mongul's strength to Darkseid and Diana was able to beat Mongul and Non by herself. And I also don't see Supes and a amped Batman beating Darkseid themselves.

Aquaman also has statements where he's referred to as one of the strongest people on Earth or in Last Days of Superman where he was recruited to make Vandal's most powerful army. Doesn't mean much. By statements Aquaman also took hits from someone he suggested strikes harder then Superman.

Beating them =/= being stronger.
One of the strongest =/= maybe stronger than Superman.
Taking hits from somebody stronger than Superman =/= being stronger than Superman

How dumb can you be that I actually have to explain that shit to you?

In case you're dumb enough that you don't even know what "=/=" means - it means the two statements are not equivalent.

Would Aquaman EVER be reffered as possibly stronger than Superman? Stop trying to doge the question, coward.

I'm not turning this into Hal vs Aquaman.. you did by saying that Darkseid had no piercing durability feats. I just proved you wrong and am still questioning why that had any relevance. Given how piercing works by a logical standpoint and the fact that Hal used piercing constructs against Uxas.

You keep moving the goal post and cowering by making excuses though.

Excuses/Response
1E. Darkseid has no piercing durability feats
1R. That's not true Hal attacked him with bladed constructs that had no effect on Darkseid. On top of the fact it requires strength to plow through something very durable no matter if the object used is sharp or not..

2E. Hal was a rookie. Look at scan of him blasting through this Guardian and ignore everything I said about Piercing Durability.
2R. 40-50 issues later Hal's constructs aren't doing anything better damage to Darkseid and related characters... Like it or not but Aquaman's trident had more force to it. Does that mean Aquaman would beat Hal in a fight? No it just means his Trident stab has more offensive power.

Which has been my point in this thread that what he lacks in physical might which isn't much at all. His Trident gives him an offensive edge.

Keyword in that phrase. "Maybe stronger" logically I can loop around the fact Aquaman beat up Orm who oneshotted Nu52 Superman. If we went by ABC logic. I could also bring up the fact OMAC took way longer to take down King Shark then Aquaman did as well.

I'm not saying Aquaman is physically superior to OMAC. I'm saying that Aquaman has the physicals to hang and the gear to inflict more damage than visa versa.

What's your excuse about Grail whose weaker than Darkseid..? Where are you getting DS War Darkseid is more powerful than JL Origins Darkseid I don't remember that ever being stated?

There was an entire mountain behind Aquaman and Hercules that fell on top of them both. You have to be generous with ignoring what's there to suggest there wasnt. There's no concession to my point there. It's a matter of seeing what you don't want to see, which seems pretty consistent with alot of prior stuff you stated...

How is Krona's durability impressive and your not even mentioning any of the piercing durability feats you were so concerned about? Don't have a stroke over something that's just suppose to be about a conversation about fictional characters.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not turning this into Hal vs Aquaman.. you did by saying that Darkseid had no piercing durability feats

At this point you're spamming.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
You keep moving the goal post and cowering by making excuses though.

You're really twelve, aren't you?
Are you at least in high-school?
I've humiliated you on every single point we've had on this thread, and you've just moved on and started throwing the next shit.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Does that mean Aquaman would beat Hal in a fight? No it just means his Trident stab has more offensive power.

Holy shit did you just say Aquaman's trident has more offensive power than Hal?

I invite you to a battlezone with a permaban on the line, right now.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Keyword in that phrase. "Maybe stronger" logically I can loop around the fact Aquaman beat up Orm who oneshotted Nu52 Superman. If we went by ABC logic. I could also bring up the fact OMAC took way longer to take down King Shark then Aquaman did as well.

Would Aquaman EVER be reffered as possibly stronger than Superman? Stop trying to dodge the question, coward.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not saying Aquaman is physically superior to OMAC. I'm saying that Aquaman has the physicals to hang and the gear to inflict more damage than visa versa.

Aquaman wouldn't get close to hit him with the trident, given the fact that OMAC has mountain-destroying blasts, which Aquaman has 0 feats to show he can take.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
There was an entire mountain behind Aquaman and Hercules that fell on top of them both. You have to be generous with ignoring what's there to suggest there wasnt.

Forum users, EcstaticGrace thinks this bundle of rocks that Hercules is under, and the subsequent rock he lifts, as being an entire mountain. Can we all take a break and laugh at his stupidity?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
How is Krona's durability impressive and your not even mentioning any of the piercing durability feats you were so concerned about? Don't have a stroke over something that's just suppose to be about a conversation about fictional characters.

Read the story you f*cking moron:

Let me guess, Aquaman's output is above those too, am I right?

You're literally tiers below carver, quanchi or anybody I've ever met in terms of intelligence on this forum.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Don't have a stroke over something that's just suppose to be about a conversation about fictional characters.

Our conversation is about how stupendously stupid you are, the fictional characters are just arguments.

I don't know how words on the internet are representatives of 'strokes'.

The hoops you jump through to be continuously wrong is outstanding...

Do you honestly miss this stuff or are you ignoring them?
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In the scan you posted what piercing attack is Krona taking? Isn't that the fuss you were making?

How much energy output are they even putting out? Questionable ABC.

I can just see Phildo having an aneurysm right now. Actually just screaming at his screen.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I can just see Phildo having an aneurysm right now. Actually just screaming at his screen.

YouTube video

It sounds much more angry when typed.

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Anyway, enough of this. Time to put EcstaticGrace in the retard-bundle and let him be.

How am I the one rambling. Lol.

If anything I think I'm being more well mannered. Your acting like a monkey flinging it's poop because your in a bad mood.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I can just see Phildo having an aneurysm right now. Actually just screaming at his screen.

😂 Battlezone time!