New (sketchy) Valkorion scaling

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, without any proof, its called making shit up. I suggest you stop before further credibility is lost. 🙁

My point is that you should exercise some critical judgment for Palpatine as well, don't just reserve it for Valkorion (and TOR era characters in general).

I never ruled out the possibility of Palpatine countering blasterbolts with Force abilities.

But what can you expect from a college dropout who takes a supposition at face value and then uses it as a pretext to attack the person who raised it in counter-response. Can't have a discussion like a gentleman.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you think that you have the moral authority to judge me in these matters?

They haven't given up due to my bias; they know that my arguments tend to carry some weight and their superficial bullshit won't pass through unquestioned. They use the bias tag to silence me and/or use it as an excuse to derail the discussion when they find themselves on the receiving end. They cannot gracefully concede to points, can they?

Go through the exchange of arguments between me and [B]SunRazer in this thread and you will notice a post from him where he pulled the bias card against me to derail a seemingly reasonable discussion.

I have a question for you! Why do you think that I am supposed to be wrong about everything? Tell me.

I can pinpoint scores of suppositions that I got right. [/B]

Given how defensive you got, and the fact that you think they were on the receiving end when debating you, then I'll take that as a yes.

But yes, I do think you are wrong most of the time, and that you are quite possibly the biggest idiot I have ever talked to.

Originally posted by Azronger
Given how defensive you got, and the fact that you think they were on the receiving end when debating you, then I'll take that as a yes.

Shall I provide examples?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It was a supposition, you lowlife dickhead.

My point is that you should exercise some critical judgment for Palpatine as well, don't just reserve it for Valkorion (and TOR era characters in general).

I never ruled out the possibility of Palpatine countering blasterbolts with Force abilities.

But what can you expect from a college dropout who takes a supposition at face value and then uses it as a pretext to attack the person who raised it in counter-response. Can't have a discussion like a gentleman.

p.s. A gentleman takes out the trash, just doing my chivalric duty. 🙁

^^^

I am not interested in a needless mudslinging with you. If you have anything concrete to share, please do. Otherwise, don't bother.

an hero 🙁

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You call that fabrication?

Yes.

Prove Sidious wore armor under his zeyd-cloth. Then we'll talk.

Originally posted by SunRazer
As a child, Zannah was able to erect Barriers that shielded her against the Thought Bomb. Palpatine is factually close to a millennium's worth superior to her by TPM alone, before undergoing several drastic increases in power through to DE. It's hardly a foolish notion in the slightest. In fact, it's a perfectly reasonable claim.

I'll remind you as well of Kressh's Gauntlet, which allowed someone who was merely holding it (not even wearing it) to survive orbital bombardment.

Besides, I hope you don't need me to tell you of the double standards in excusing unfavourable comparisons to Tyth on the basis of not being a Force user, but readily making comparisons to Palpatine whenever you consider it a favourable comparison. Unless I'm mistaken, Tyth is a super-droid, and Palpatine is a human augmented by the Force. You seem to want to compare their durability in "conventional" manners? lol

Darth Zannah did not tank Thought Bomb. She wasn't caught in its blast. You cannot apply scaling here.

An artifact that is stated to make its wielder invincible?

Originally posted by Geistalt
Yes.

Prove Sidious wore armor under his zeyd-cloth. Then we'll talk.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Vader also tanked an exploding Sith superweapon, and Sheev would wreck him.

Nope the superweapon exploded, not much else there to explode. 😂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nope the superweapon exploded conventionally, not like literally. 😂

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I don't have to prove a supposition.

You do if you want ppl to take your argument seriously.

Originally posted by Geistalt
You do if you want ppl to take your argument seriously.

There's no real point for Sidious to wear armor. Armor in general for the SWU, isn't really worn for blaster protection anyway, minus specifically designed armor.

TBH Darth Vader going by several showings can be able to replicate Tiths feats, such as withstanding orbital bombardment. He did withstand Starkillers amped Force Lightning which was capable of charging a cannon to the point it split a star destroyer in half. He also smashed apart Aluminized densecris, a material that is supposed to be unbreakable according to Imperial Scientists, which would at least make it tougher than Phrik and durasteel alloys, material strong enough to withstand direct hits from turbolaser blasts and even the explosion of a planet in the case with Phrik.

Originally posted by The Merchant
TBH Darth Vader going by several showings can be able to replicate Tiths feats, such as withstanding orbital bombardment. He did withstand Starkillers amped Force Lightning which was capable of charging a cannon to the point it split a star destroyer in half. He also smashed apart Aluminized densecris, a material that is supposed to be unbreakable according to Imperial Scientists, which would at least make it tougher than Phrik and durasteel alloys, material strong enough to withstand direct hits from turbolaser blasts and even the explosion of a planet in the case with Phrik.

Eh I wouldn't put too much hand into Vader's destruction of that mirror, partly because there isn't anything prior to actually claim that it is indestructible, just that it supposedly was and that's it's only appearance.

That also said, don't really recall reading that scientists actually commented on the material.

Any rate, Phrik and the like can be broken, it's just not an immediate thing and requires great power and they have actual showings compared to the single mirror instance, which make them better.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion [is] better than Palpatine in some areas. I am sorry if this fact hurts your feelings but you don't have the moral stand to criticize me for pointing out the obvious.

I am not trying to one-up Valkorion due to my bias; my point is that Valkorion and Palpatine are different characters with varied abilities. Your (black and white) comparisons do not hold up.

Yes! Robes can be reinforced with lightweight armor plates. You claim to have played SWTOR and you don't know this?

"The spirits of Korriban are quite real. Indeed, on one occasion they nearly killed me." (Palpatine)

There is a source that reveals that Palpatine was rescued and recovered in a Bacta Tank. Somebody removed this information from Palpatine's main article in Wookieepedia.

1. Valkorion being better than Palpatine in some areas doesn't mean he has to be better in virtually everything as you try to make him out to be. You can't even accept the Emperor being more durable than Valkorion. Pathetic.

2. First, blaster bolts can penetrate that level of armouring. Secondly, again, just because they can put the armour inside the clothing doesn't mean that Palpatine did. Prove that Palpatine did, or it's an invalid point. You can't ask me to prove a negative by asking me to prove that Palpatine didn't. Nobody ever proves a negative in debates; if you propose something, the burden of proof is on you.

3. If it's removed from Wookieepedia, that's probably because it was unsourced and determined to be made up. Indeed, I have read pretty much all of Palpatine's sources and I don't recall that anyway. Bacta doesn't heal spiritual wounds either, which only makes it more suspicious.

Regardless, the comment in BoS is ambiguous (nearly killing someone can mean a near-miss, not inflicting mortal injuries) and it could've taken place early on in Palpatine's apprenticeship, or some other such time. We don't know for sure.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Oh dear.

Darth Zannah did not tank Thought Bomb. She wasn't caught in its blast. You cannot apply scaling here.

An artifact that is stated to make its wielder invincible?

Sorry, the other ritual they did - the Storm one.

So this is KMC?