SoR Revan vs Darth Vader

Originally posted by SunRazer
Doing Jedi exercises isn't mutually exclusive with declining. I mean, he's practicing against thin air.

Also, Lightsabers: A Guide to the Weapons of the Force cites his lack of practice again, and it's from 2010.

EDIT: They're releasing a new version in 2018? Interesting.

Fair enough though again, it's still impressive he managed that long against Vader since the latter didn't stop fighting.

No doubt he was still formidable, though the idea is that he doesn't really compare to the likes of Dooku anymore.

And Death Star implies that he was nearing exhaustion by the end of the fight.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Fair enough though again, it's still impressive he managed that long against Vader since the latter didn't stop fighting.

I view it as Vader being cautious. Also the hallway in the Death Star didn't have a lot of things to throw around with the Force so their Force barriers made it sabers only. I don't think Vader hurling a mouse droid would've been worth breaking his momentum.

Yep, it's stated that Vader fought with apprehension in their duel. In Death Star he's paranoid that Kenobi will pull a random move and **** him up like he did on Mustafar.

Being cautious doesn't mean he wouldn't use the Force. Hell, he would probably use attacks like Force push even more to distance himself from Kenobi, reassess the situation, resume fighting, etc.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
I view it as Vader being cautious. Also the hallway in the Death Star didn't have a lot of things to throw around with the Force so their Force barriers made it sabers only. I don't think Vader hurling a mouse droid would've been worth breaking his momentum.

Well yeah he was being cautious, though if Kenobi had really declined so rapidly, not sure Kenobi would be able to kill him if he faltered in his attention. Especially since he shown previously to withstand a lot of crap prior and fought some nice duelists.

Yup, Vader is canonically > Dooku:

Perhaps the strongest disciple of Palpatine after Darth Vader, Executor Sedriss remained loyal to the Emperor after the death of his clone over the Rebels' Pinnacle Base.

-Handbook 3: Dark Empire

And yeah, ANH Kenobi >> RotS Kenobi as a Force user, so claiming that because Vader didn't manhandle Kenobi puts him below Dooku is invalid:

Kenobi gauged the shrinking distance between the oncoming troops and himself, then turned a pitying gaze on Vader. “This is a fight you cannot win, Darth. Your power has matured since I taught you, but I too have grown much since our parting. If my blade finds its mark, you will cease to exist. But if you cut me down, I will only become more powerful. Heed my words."

-A New Hope novelization

The first one is referring to the time-period, blatantly.

The second is referring to Kenobi's newfound power over death.

Not to mention they're prior to 2005. I wanted quotes afterwards.

I mean, that's obvious to everyone else, but I imagine you'll dispute that. Don't bother, since you're wrong.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The first one is referring to the time-period, blatantly.

The second is referring to Kenobi's newfound power over death.

Not to mention they're prior to 2005. I wanted quotes afterwards.

I mean, that's obvious to everyone else, but I imagine you'll dispute that. Don't bother, since you're wrong.

Oh? I'm wrong, am I? Care to prove that with indisputable evidence, or are you just saying that because you're unwilling to admit that the text can be interpreted in a multitude of ways? Given my past experiences with you, I'd say it's the latter, but feel free to prove me wrong.

😂 You seem mad.

We already established you have no interpretation abilities after your little fiasco with the Droma quotes. I'm not wasting my time getting an author to tell you that you're a retard this time though, so don't waste our time and just leave the thread.

Az, the first of your quotes doesn't necessarily imply that Darth Vader was the strongest of Palpatine's disciples. It just means that Sedriss was the strongest after Vader's death.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The first one is referring to the time-period, blatantly.

Re-read the quote, buddy.

I've read it pally, it describes Sedriss as second to Vader in present tense as of DE. Despite Vader being deceased.

Not really sure what you're arguing. The quote says Vader's the best until he dies, then the mantle goes to Sedriss.

It's not saying Vader's the best in the history of all of Palpatine's apprentices though.

Right. If it said "after Darth Vader's death" or some such, you'd have a point. But it says after Darth Vader, Vader being a person not an event.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not really sure what you're arguing.

You gotta explain what you're arguing, dude.

That the quote is saying Sedriss - excluding Darth Vader - is (perhaps) the strongest disciple Palpatine has had (ever.)

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That the quote is saying Sedriss - excluding Darth Vader - is (perhaps) the strongest disciple Palpatine has had (ever.)

@Beni: Yeah, no.