Originally posted by DarkSaint85👆 Pretty simple, really.
Who said he was????Scan says most formidable enemy to date.
Unless you're going to be carvynastic, and say he was Supes' friend......
Additionally, this wasn't just some random throwaway line. This was shown/stated through the records of Kelex -- Kryptonian AI that was relaying this information straight from the mind of Superman himself. IOW, that is how Superman ACTUALLY feels about Doomsday.
And we know there is no embellishment going on, because Superman himself has since reconfirmed that whilst fighting Doomsday he: a.) turned off his self-imposed governors, b.) was truly going all-out, and c.) used every bit of strength/power at his disposal, in order to 'win':
*As Phil said: Supes has only entered this type of fully 'no holds barred'/'out for the kill' mindset one other time on panel -- and that was when he was fighting alongside Doomsday against the Imperiex Probes.
tl;dr
Superman has thrown fisticuffs with both Doomsday and SBP, yet he still regards DD as his "most formidable opponent" to date. Not saying this evidence is the end-all/be-all, but it is something that should certainly be considered here(though it most likely won't be considered, because people seem to have this preconceived notion that DoS DD was 'teh weeksaus!!111!!', but I digress...)
Annnnyyyywayyy, that statement is obviously in reference to physical beings that Superman has physically brawled with h2h. He's obviously not comparing DD to the likes of Mxy, COIE Anti-Monitor, Imperiex Prime, Mandrakk, etc. etc... Though I'd bet that some retard(s)/hater(s)/idiot(s) here will still try to throw that out there nonetheless, as their sole goal in life seems to be mindlessly lowballing, lol.
I am not sure who I will pick to be honest.
But one thing is for sure on a comparative show of durability Superboy got atomized were Doomsday didn't.
That and that apparently Superman does hold back vs Superboy prime. You can actually see this on his many interactions. IIRC he said he wants to help him it is more evident when he is facing time trapper SBP before he finds out that time trapper is SBP he is actually performing really good, as soon as he finds out time trapper is SBP then is when he performs really bad. Basically he holds back vs Prime but he doesn't hold back vs Doomsday now that he knows how vicious DD is. And it is in the comics for anyone who would like to read them.
As far as who will win? Honestly I am not sure. Dos Doomsday is not a walk in the park by any means.
But certantly there are certain context behind their fights. And like I said the two different results from the Oan guardian doing the kemikaze attack. Doomsday took it much better than SBP. SBP got atomized and I think he was at full power. He ended up feeding out of the OAN energy though. But one got atomized the other didn't.
Knowing this it will be difficult to pick a winner to be honest.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I am not sure who I will pick to be honest.But one thing is for sure on a comparative show of durability Superboy got atomized were Doomsday didn't.
That and that apparently Superman does hold back vs Superboy prime. You can actually see this on his many interactions. IIRC he said he wants to help him it is more evident when he is facing time trapper SBP before he finds out that time trapper is SBP he is actually performing really good, as soon as he finds out time trapper is SBP then is when he performs really bad. Basically he holds back vs Prime but he doesn't hold back vs Doomsday now that he knows how vicious DD is. And it is in the comics for anyone who would like to read them.
As far as who will win? Honestly I am not sure. Dos Doomsday is not a walk in the park by any means.
But certantly there are certain context behind their fights. And like I said the two different results from the Oan guardian doing the kemikaze attack. Doomsday took it much better than SBP. SBP got atomized and I think he was at full power. He ended up feeding out of the OAN energy though. But one got atomized the other didn't.
Knowing this it will be difficult to pick a winner to be honest.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Doomsday had a gl ring and had amped himself with green energy before the kamikaze attack.
Superboy had multiple guardians attacking him right about the time he was hit with the kamikaze attack.
He had a ring and the ring failed right before the Kamikaze attack.But I think We already went over this some time ago and we didn't reach an agreement weather he was protected by the ring or not and certantly I would not have the energy nor the time to try to discuss a point that i think we already disagree before.
He wasn't exactly amping out of it but adapting to the Guardian's energy IIRC. I don't have the comic book handy to check this out, so I might be wrong.
And I think I could pick the same position as Galan. It is hard to gauge for me who will win but certantly that does not mean that Dos Doomsday was a weakling by any means. He has some nice feats under his belt before he came to earth, IIRC He killed a bunch of GLs as well, but yes he did this using and adapting the energies of the ring. In fact they Doomsday year one compares this Gl massacre to the one that Hal Jordan/Parallax will perform later on.
Plus like I said the notion that SM holds back vs Prime but not vs Doomsday might help him a little bit.
In any case knowing what I know from both characters will be hard to tell who will win on a straight up fight and it will be awesome to see it on comics btw.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
He had a ring and the ring failed right before the Kamikaze attack.But I think We already went over this some time ago and we didn't reach an agreement weather he was protected by the ring or not and certantly I would not have the energy nor the time to try to discuss a point that i think we already disagree before.He wasn't exactly amping out of it but adapting to the Guardian's energy IIRC. I don't have the comic book handy to check this out, so I might be wrong.
And I think I could pick the same position as Galan. It is hard to gauge for me who will win but certantly that does not mean that Dos Doomsday was a weakling by any means. He has some nice feats under his belt before he came to earth, IIRC He killed a bunch of GLs as well, but yes he did this using and adapting the energies of the ring. In fact they Doomsday year one compares this Gl massacre to the one that Hal Jordan/Parallax will perform later on.
Plus like I said the notion that SM holds back vs Prime but not vs Doomsday might help him a little bit.In any case knowing what I know from both characters will be hard to tell who will win on a straight up fight and it will be awesome to see it on comics btw.
The ring was blown out by the kamikaze attack.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
👆 Pretty simple, really.Additionally, this wasn't just some random throwaway line. This was shown/stated through the records of Kelex -- Kryptonian AI that was relaying this information straight from the mind of Superman himself. IOW, that is how Superman ACTUALLY feels about Doomsday.
And we know there is no embellishment going on, because Superman himself has since reconfirmed that whilst fighting Doomsday he: a.) turned off his self-imposed governors, b.) was truly going all-out, and c.) used every bit of strength/power at his disposal, in order to 'win':
*As Phil said: Supes has only entered this type of fully 'no holds barred'/'out for the kill' mindset one other time on panel -- and that was when he was fighting alongside Doomsday against the Imperiex Probes.
tl;dr
Superman has thrown fisticuffs with both Doomsday and SBP, yet he still regards DD as his "most formidable opponent" to date. Not saying this evidence is the end-all/be-all, but it is something that should certainly be considered here(though it most likely won't be considered, because people seem to have this preconceived notion that DoS DD was 'teh weeksaus!!111!!', but I digress...)Annnnyyyywayyy, that statement is obviously in reference to physical beings that Superman has physically brawled with h2h. He's obviously not comparing DD to the likes of Mxy, COIE Anti-Monitor, Imperiex Prime, Mandrakk, etc. etc... Though I'd bet that some retard(s)/hater(s)/idiot(s) here will still try to throw that out there nonetheless, as their sole goal in life seems to be mindlessly lowballing, lol.
To calm everybody's titties here - imagine that at 18 years old you fought a guy that took you to your very limit [Byrne Superman]. Now, event though you later became stronger [OWAW/Infinite Crisis Superman], you didn't meet an opponent that took you that far. So while your 30 year old self would now win against what you faced at 18 years old, your 30 year old self wasn't taken to that limit by any opponent you've faced at your current age.
At least, theoretically that would be an explanation, because the comic doesn't make that distinction, and explicitly says that he is his most formidable opponent not his hardest fight - and that really has the meaning of overall, without the caveats I added *shrug*
Originally posted by PhilIndeed. 👆
At least, theoretically that would be an explanation, because the comic doesn't make that distinction, and explicitly says that he is his most formidable opponent not his hardest fight - and that really has the meaning of overall, without the caveats I added *shrug*
This is likely because Superman almost never *has* to take himself that far. I mean, fully cutting loose twice...in an 80 year history...across hundredS of different titles...across thousandS of different appearances. F*cking hell, that is such a ridiculously low frequency that it's barely even quantifiable. Furthermore, the only other time Superman fully cut loose, it enabled him to casually shred through his opposition(the Probes) like cheap tissue paper -- so even that instance is still a far cry from the crescendo of DoS(in terms of end-result.)
Heck, even if Superman *hadn't* died, I imagine that his battle against DD would've still left nearly as big of an impression for that very reason: for the first time in his history, Supes let go of ALL self-imposed limitations and fully cut loose...he gave it everything he had...he was out for the kill. Despite this, he still barely squeaked-out a 'win'. He was physically/mentally/spiritually destroyed.
...That shit would stick with you. ermmnone
Prime is hard to judge. sometimes he wrecks teams and handles black adam like a b!tch. sometimes he is owned by superboy, the titans and flash/zoom easily. he went blow for blow with ION and only won thanks to the poisioning of ION. i still believe he is above superman and above DOS Doomsday. however i do believe prime is sometimes overrated here. now with the guardian amp he was a major beast.
Originally posted by Galan007
Indeed. 👆This is likely because Superman almost never *has* to take himself that far. I mean, fully cutting loose twice...in an 80 year history...across hundredS of different titles...across thousandS of different appearances. F*cking hell, that is such a ridiculously low frequency that it's barely even quantifiable. Furthermore, the only other time Superman fully cut loose, it enabled him to casually shred through his opposition(the Probes) like cheap tissue paper -- so even that instance is still a far cry from the crescendo of DoS(in terms of end-result.)
Heck, even if Superman *hadn't* died, I imagine that his battle against DD would've still left nearly as big of an impression for that very reason: for the first time in his history, Supes let go of ALL self-imposed limitations and fully cut loose...he gave it everything he had...he was out for the kill. Despite this, he still barely squeaked-out a 'win'. He was physically/mentally/spiritually destroyed.
...That shit would stick with you. ermmnone
According to Phil, there's now way Superman has fought without a holding back mentality just those two times.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=641086&pagenumber=2
Then again he's flip flopped on this type of thing just before taking that stance. 😬
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=639443&pagenumber=1
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hmm...According to Phil, there's now way Superman has fought without a holding back mentality just those two times.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=641086&pagenumber=2Then again he's flip flopped on this type of thing just before taking that stance. 😬
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=639443&pagenumber=1
Exactly and Spiderman has went all out once in his career and Hulk has went all out once in his career as well. I'm can't think of a time Thor has cut lose.