Batman Vs Omega Red

Originally posted by riv6672
heh heh, you're all wound up. Proceed. 😆

👆 well I've said my piece, and if people don't want to change their minds, then so be it.

OR has been incapacitated by foam, is Class 10 without tentacles (and we don't know what class his tentacles are), is in Batman's city, and has been badly affected by tasers.

Batman has foam, class 15 cabling, home advantage, the same voltage (at least) of electricity that has affected OR, plus other toys.

Including his showings against WW and Supes.

That's without using the version in OP, who is stronger/faster/more durable than the versions I've posted.

Peace out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

It was building sized. Plus, that makes no sense. You're making it out as if OR has space to swing his tentacles when surrounded by foam, to whip his tentacles back and forth.

When in fact, he can't. No leverage. I can snap something, but encase me completely in a block of the same material? Whilst I'm also tied up in cabling that's stronger than me, whilst other toys are being dumped on me? No chance.

And of course, I then posted a scan of his tasers affecting Superman. You want to argue OR has better durability than Supes, be my guest.

He does actually have freezing weaponry on him as well, actually. So that's more stuff he can throw on.

Again:
Batman isn't just throwing a 15-ton cable, then sitting back It's the cable, plus the foam, plus the freezing, plus the tasers, etc etc etc that's all being piled on. [/B]

what do you mean building size? it was just an explosion inside the building. if it was meassured to a building, then the building itself would have all exploded inside. it was an explosion powerful enough for a store by the looks of that.

but thats the thing, his tentacles are flexible. its not dock ock tentacles. they are flexible and turning around from his wrists. they are capable of comming from all angles he wants. again, his tentacles are jus ttoo powerful, they ripped ironmans armor, concrete, they ripped tanks. a big buble gum or some cable are not holding the tentacles down.

again, healing factor. first of all omega red has carboranium armor hat deflects the electricity. secondly, his healing factor is greater than wolverines as wolverine himself stated. the damage which will be already reduced due to his durability and armor, will simply be healed. again, its not a good idea to use gas or electricity as a tactic vs someone who has a healing factor more powerful than wolverines.

again, if he carry with him something usually that can freeze then yes, i cant argue against that because it has been proven as useful against him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As you said. Quantity, not quality. He's not adding his own strength to the tentacles lol.

If all he is is class 10, the cables will hold him fine. Crushing concrete etc doesn't mean much, as you don't need class 10 strength or more just to crush it.

Never said acid. You are (purposefully?) misunderstanding me. The point of the Emperor Penguin scan was to show that he spams his toys.

And again. The tasers affect beings like Superman. It would kill OR if he used it, lol.

he doesnt need to add any strength to tentacles that can hold colossus - a 100 tonner, rip apart ironmans armor, rip apart tanks atc atc. 15 ton cables are a toy to such force you cant argue against that. are you saying his tentacles can overpower colossus but they cant rip thru some calbes that has 15 ton pressure? come on man.

you did say acid as part of his tools. non of them will help. i already addressed the superman thing with healing factor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not talking about damage. And not talking about nukes - am fully aware that OR has a HF.

Am talking about immobilising, using items that are not only stronger than OR, but also remove his leverage.

Btw, for Dareangel: that was 50,000 volts that IM gave to OR. Now that you know, care to revisit your argument?

http://i.imgur.com/6nc3SS8.png

Which he can easily replicate:

yes but the 50,000 ironman used in your scan simply shows its not enough because it didnt take him out. it kinda stunned him but with his healing factor he was fine. thats batmans best trick but the healing factor red has will simply restore him perfectly. and nothing of batmans restraining toys, can handle the tantacles that hold down and overpower colossus and rip apart ironmans suit.

I said he spammed his toys. Not that he would use acid, or gas. Merely that he doesn't just throw one thing, then stop.

As for freezing:

It's fast acting and cold enough to make intangible ghosts, solid.

Which is not that infeasible, as he carries it around for his foes like Clayface:

And we know how much mass Clayface packs.

as pointed out, freezing will do the job. if batman has enough to freeze omega red entirely then he might win, however there are the death spores. you dont even need to be right next to omega red to get effected by them. i dont recall the distance of their effect but they will be leathal to batman if he doesnt prep for them.

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As I said in my post originally on page 2, he has ice weaponry. Which you then agreed with. So glad we all agree.

I've already posted how it flash froze Ghost Soldier entirely, so that the lasso could work.

Two Talons, frozen.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
is Class 10 without tentacles (and we don't know what class his tentacles are)

Based on what, exactly...? Some outdated internet bio? Thought you were better than this.

On panel, in Armor Wars retelling, it's been stated he has Thing-level strength.

His tentacles have restrained Colossus (short scene, but still) and a chopper.

At his best, even Hazmat suits failed to protect people from his Death Factor.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Based on what, exactly...? Some outdated internet bio? Thought you were better than this.

On panel, in Armor Wars retelling, it's been stated he has Thing-level strength.

His tentacles have restrained Colossus (short scene, but still) and a chopper.

At his best, even Hazmat suits failed to protect people from his Death Factor.

I was basing it on Dareangel:

Originally posted by Dareangel
at base he is class 10.

Ah. That explains. A lot.

Continue 😂

PS. You posted the original bat-foam feat from his sparring with Supes or not yet?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ah. That explains. A lot.

Continue 😂

PS. You posted the original bat-foam feat from his sparring with Supes or not yet?

No, not yet. You have it to hand?

Nope. But I think it's on http://batmanfeats.blogspot.ca/.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Based on what, exactly...? Some outdated internet bio? Thought you were better than this.

On panel, in Armor Wars retelling, it's been stated he has Thing-level strength.

His tentacles have restrained Colossus (short scene, but still) and a chopper.

At his best, even Hazmat suits failed to protect people from his Death Factor.

It was S.H.I.E.L.D. foam. They have some uber tech.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was S.H.I.E.L.D. foam. They have some uber tech.

It's not prep. Batman carries these things around without there being shown any prep.

It's not like Batman goes oh, I might meet Ghost Soldier, better pack this liquid nitrogen capsule just in case. Oh, better pack the tasers too. And the foam.

No, it's standard equipment.

We cannot assume he packs everything at the same time, always, though.

Unless you have some proof that his utility belt has extradimensional pockets...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We cannot assume he packs everything at the same time, always, though.

Unless you have some proof that his utility belt has extradimensional pockets...

Then this (and all Bat threads) kinda fall over.

42 items (of which some items are multiples - batarangS, lockpickS, antitoxinS), and it's only 30%.

So he has around 140 items in the utility belt alone, as standard.

Not to mention his gauntlets, his gloves, the lockpick he stashes in his mouth, the tooth filled with a smoke bomb, his cape which has choloroform patched into it, the callous on his palm with more stuff hidden in it....

Main point to take away: his standard equipment list is pretty extensive. If he has not been shown to be doing any special prep, then I assume it to be standard.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We cannot assume he packs everything at the same time, always, though.

Unless you have some proof that his utility belt has extradimensional pockets...

Originally posted by emu
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You think when Batman gets manhandled, he always has liquid nitrogen on his person? Stupid thing to be carrying around when your day job is being thrown around, unless, you know, you got some ghosts to freeze :/

Or one of your rogue's gallery is Clayface.

Or Firefly.

Or there's an entire organisation whose assassins (the Talons) are weak against ice.

Or any other criminal where ice is handy.

He carries Kryptonite on him. Does he fight Superman on the daily? Nah.