Originally posted by Galan007
Considering Death was vastly beyond the MAOs, I can't even fathom how the Basanos could lose... mmm
What have Basanos really done except manipulate probability on a limited scale? Yes, they defeated Lucifer through extensive prep, but beyond that, is there anything im missing?
The fact that not even Lucifer could just destroy them outright speaks volumes, imo. That aside, how do you believe the MAOs can win, given that we know where they stand in comparison to universal abstracts? Do you really see the likes of Shuma Gorath(he's the one entity we can be fairly sure was actually on the MAO-roster, iirc, and he's almost certainly the most individually powerful among them) beating the Basanos in a neutral universe? If so, I am honestly curious how..? The Basanos were nigh-unharmable, after all... And the Death-card/aspect was also part of their collective, for what it's worth. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
The fact that not even Lucifer could just destroy them outright speaks volumes, imo. That aside, how do you believe the MAOs can win, given that we know where they stand in comparison to universal abstracts? Do you really see the likes of Shuma Gorath(he's the one entity we can be fairly sure was actually on the MAO-roster, iirc, and he's almost certainly the most individually powerful among them) beating the Basanos in a neutral universe? If so, I am honestly curious how..? The Basanos were nigh-unharmable, after all... And the Death-card/aspect was also part of their collective, for what it's worth. /shrug
Right, but im having more trouble recalling their offensive capabilities? MAO don't have to kill them, they can subdue or imprison them if their raw power is superior, which imo, it is. In terms of standing though, MAO may be below death, but even Mephisto was stated to be "a mouse" when compared to Shuma. Also, to be fair, ive never been really overly impressed with Shuma but the MAO story did seem to portray them (collectively at least) in a different light.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Even their base probabilty altering seems absurdly strong. They can bring any probability to bear.
I remember them causing natural disasters on Lucifer's earth, but not much beyond that. As such, i don't think that's enough to say they can affect the MAO with their powers.
Originally posted by Cogito
I think "depowered" is strong language.In that state, missing a couple feathers, he effortlessly created his multiverse and tanked the demiurgic energies of Michael.
If im remembering this correctly, the feathers were basically a failsafe, and was meant to be activated specifically when the basanos attacked him.
We know for a fact that he returned to his full state when he confronted amenadiel at which point he was depleted to an enormous degree, so they drained most of his energies.
Originally posted by Cogito
Not sure what you mean by a "failsafe". The feathers were withheld by Izanami when Lucifer recovered his wings
I meant that the contamination in lucifer's wings was activated specifically when the basanos attacked him.
Ah, yes there was definitely context to the Basanos (temporarily) defeating Lucifer. They state clearly that they could not defeat him without that weakness.
Their implied power is off the charts, but obviously the events of Lucifer (and especially the role of the Basanos) is not really conducive to this type of "vs" matchup. Similar to meta-textuals, in that way.
Originally posted by Cogito
Ah, yes there was definitely context to the Basanos (temporarily) defeating Lucifer. They state clearly that they could not defeat him without that weakness.
Furthermore, Lucifer confirmed that this event absorbed most of his power.
So yeah.
Originally posted by CogitoTheir implied power is off the charts, but obviously the events of Lucifer (and especially the role of the Basanos) is not really conducive to this type of "vs" matchup. Similar to meta-textuals, in that way.
Agreed. That's why i find hard to rank them. Their implied power is huge, but their feats seem extremely limited.