The Basanos Vs The Many Angled Ones

Originally posted by operator616
Right, but im having more trouble recalling their offensive capabilities? MAO don't have to kill them, they can subdue or imprison them if their raw power is superior, which imo, it is.

http://i.imgur.com/DrkQsk5.jpg
"If reality is a magic lantern show, they are the lenses through which all the infinite possibilities of shape and color are focused."

Even Melos all but stated that in a neutral setting, the Basanos are essentially unlimited/infinite:
http://i.imgur.com/k2a95j7.jpg

*And they were not limited to just destruction, btw -- creation was also in their powerset:
http://i.imgur.com/aSCZBiU.jpg

Aside from that, the caricatures illustrated on the tarot cards were modeled directly after the *actual* being/concept itself:
http://i.imgur.com/MwBZszb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/X1gdbGy.jpg

This is important(based on your personal POV, I suppose) because Death is among the cards:
http://i.imgur.com/2rmBrgS.jpg
And we know where the MAOs stand in comparison to that concept, at least. /shrug

Sans that, the Basanos can't be killed by anything less than the destruction of their deck(which wouldn't be present here), or the hand of Yahweh itself... So outright destroying them is out here. As for the MAOs containing them: how do you believe they could do that? Have they even contained/imprisoned entities like this..?

Originally posted by Galan007
For me it's because the Basanos were night-omniscient -- literally created to mimic Destiny's Book. As such, they could directly affect probability(on a seemingly unlimited scale) -- if there is even an infinitesimal chance for an event to occur, they can force it to happen:
http://i.imgur.com/QdF9m3Q.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DrkQsk5.jpg
"If reality is a magic lantern show, they are the lenses through which all the infinite possibilities of shape and color are focused."

They were not omniscient in Lucifer's reality, so im not sure how this ability would reflect in a neutral universe.

Originally posted by Galan007

Even Melos all but stated that in a neutral setting, the Basanos are essentially unlimited/infinite:
http://i.imgur.com/k2a95j7.jpg

*And they were not limited to just destruction, btw -- creation was also in their powerset:
http://i.imgur.com/aSCZBiU.jpg

Aside from that, the caricatures illustrated on the tarot cards were modeled directly after the *actual* being/concept itself:
http://i.imgur.com/MwBZszb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/X1gdbGy.jpg

I know they have huge implied power, which is why i was asking for feats.

Originally posted by Galan007

This is important(based on your personal POV, I suppose) because Death is among the cards:
http://i.imgur.com/2rmBrgS.jpg
And we know where the MAOs stand in comparison to that concept, at least. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007

Sans that, the Basanos can't be killed by anything less than the destruction of their deck(which wouldn't be present here), or the hand of Yahweh itself... So outright destroying them is out here. As for the MAOs containing them: how do you believe they could do that? Have they even contained/imprisoned entities like this..?

Yes. They were the ones who were responsible for the galactus engine. The basanos on the other hand, who have they defeated or contained?

Are we talking about elder gods level MAOs? How is this even a fight?

Except highballing of Galactus and marvel characters?

Originally posted by operator616
I know they have huge implied power, which is why i was asking for feats.

Moreover, you yourself only mentioned lip-service/statements regarding the MAOs:

Originally posted by operator616
but even Mephisto was stated to be "a mouse" when compared to Shuma.

Not sure why my mentioning the Basanos' implied power is any different..? mmm

Originally posted by operator616
Yes. They were the ones who were responsible for the galactus engine.

Don't you know, feats and lip service only matter for whoever operator is arguing for.

Was Death really vastly beyond MAOs?

Originally posted by Galan007
You're acting like the MAOs have some abundance of high-end feats, when they simply do not... Especially outside of their personal universes/dimensions.

Moreover, you yourself only mentioned lip-service/statements regarding the MAOs:

Not sure why my mentioning the Basanos' implied power is any different..? mmm

What do you mean "responsible for"..? Am I forgetting an instance where it was stated that the MAOs built, powered, or amped the GE..? 😕

You were the one who was talking about their standing, so i mentioned the mephisto part to get an idea where they stand in regards to some other powerful entities.

Also, me mentioning implied power is when they were stated to be able to rewrite the laws of all possible universes, or them being more powerful than the Galactus engine, or them being higher dimensional beings. So they too, have huge implied power.

That was the implication at the end of Thanos imperative #2. Surfer was talking about the MAO and then he mentioning that the "enemy is responding", then we see the Galactus engine, pretty sure that the MAOs were responsible for it. Check out the issue, because my internet connection is currently very bad.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't you know, feats and lip service only matter for whoever operator is arguing for.

You just can't help yourself, can you?

Originally posted by operator616
You were the one who was talking about their standing, so i mentioned the mephisto part to get an idea where they stand in regards to some other powerful entities.

Also, me mentioning implied power is when they were stated to be able to rewrite the laws of all possible universes, or them being more powerful than the Galactus engine, or them being higher dimensional beings. So they too, have huge implied power.

That was the implication at the end of Thanos imperative #2. Surfer was talking about the MAO and then he mentioning that the "enemy is responding", then we see the Galactus engine, pretty sure that the MAOs were responsible for it. Check out the issue, because my internet connection is currently very bad.

You just can't help yourself, can you?

Oh and one MAO was killed by Black Bolt.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Can't help with what? Your hypocrisy?

Can't help with the bashing and hating.

But considering that your definition of "hypocrisy" is basically "not granting a DC character a win over a marvel character", im not really insulted.

Originally posted by operator616
That was the implication at the end of Thanos imperative #2. Surfer was talking about the MAO and then he mentioning that the "enemy is responding", then we see the Galactus engine, pretty sure that the MAOs were responsible for it. Check out the issue, because my internet connection is currently very bad.

And while it was initially mentioned that the MAOs were more powerful than the GE, it was also shown/implied in the final issue that 616 Galactus alone was holding it at bay:
http://i.imgur.com/q9tuIe1.jpg
Surfer: "If the Devourer of Worlds cannot vanquish the obscene Galactus Engine, we will quickly follow my master to his doom."

*And none of the other cosmic/abstract beings from 616 were shown in the final issue -- so I would assume they were either killed, or fled. By all implications, Galactus was the final being standing in its way./shrug

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh and one MAO was killed by Black Bolt.

And Quasar + the 'Revengers' succeeded in defeating one as well:
http://i.imgur.com/jyCvIfv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CwqHfY6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s06ZKqr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XH6FcDD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DjFMHW8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/E3UQBYa.jpg
*And the Revengers acted like fighting/containing MAOs was commonplace for them.

If nothing else I'm sure we can all agree that the power(s) of the MAO(s) varies significantly. ermm

i truthfully never understood the MAO love. besides that, that series sucked ass. /shrug

Yeah, the concept of the MAOs is far better than their on panel execution ever was, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007

And while it was initially mentioned that the MAOs were more powerful than the GE, it was also shown/implied in the final issue that 616 Galactus alone was holding it at bay:
http://i.imgur.com/q9tuIe1.jpg
Surfer: "If the Devourer of Worlds cannot vanquish the obscene Galactus Engine, we will quickly follow my master to his doom."

*And none of the other cosmic/abstract beings from 616 were shown in the final issue -- so I would assume they were either killed, or fled. By all implications, Galactus was the final being standing in its way./shrug

Considering that it was explicitly shown previously that the combined efforts of the Celestials and Galactus were barely able to hold The Galactus Engine in check, id say that the GE was depleted by the combined attacks of the cosmic beings, leaving it vulnerable. a high end feat for Galactus either way.

The inconsistency of the GE and MAOs from issue-to-issue is really the only point I am trying to make with those scans.

Stuff like this is why I find it painfully tedious to quantify/gauge them with any sort of accuracy. ermm

Many Angled Ones.

Though Shuma Gorath is the only of them that has some feats outside of creating the GE.

And Shuma when in his realm is pretty much totally omnipotent.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Many Angled Ones.

Though Shuma Gorath is the only of them that has some feats outside of creating the GE.

And Shuma when in his realm is pretty much totally omnipotent.

This is neutral realm.

Originally posted by operator616
Can't help with the bashing and hating.

But considering that your definition of "hypocrisy" is basically "not granting a DC character a win over a marvel character", im not really insulted.