Doomsday (DOS) vs Doomsday (Rebirth)

While reading a few of the Action Comics (Rebirth) recently, I saw Superman once again struggling with that particular Earth's version of Doomsday. Superman seemed to have the same amount of trouble as he did when he fought DOS Doomsday. It really didn't make much sense to me, because it was widely believed that Superman had grown more powerful than he was back when he originally fought, and was put into a deep coma by DOS Doomsday.

Could it have been that the Doomsday of Rebirth was/is far superior to DOS Doomsday? Was everyone wrong in their beliefs that Superman had indeed grown more powerful?

Which Doomsday would win, if they were both transported to a neutral zone and set against each other.

KO or 1st kill = Win

Who wins?

Originally posted by Stoic
While reading a few of the Action Comics (Rebirth) recently, I saw Superman once again struggling with that particular Earth's version of Doomsday. Superman seemed to have the same amount of trouble as he did when he fought DOS Doomsday. It really didn't make much sense to me, because it was widely believed that Superman had grown more powerful than he was back when he originally fought, and was put into a deep coma by DOS Doomsday.

Could it have been that the Doomsday of Rebirth was/is far superior to DOS Doomsday? Was everyone wrong in their beliefs that Superman had indeed grown more powerful?

...mhmm

People were wrong about superman growing more powerful. The DDs stalemate.

Originally posted by Galan007
Or maybe ...just maybe... people have been drastically underestimating DoS Doomsday all these years..? mmm

...mhmm

Both.

Doomsday is stronger than they want to admit, and though his regular operating level was lower prior to DOS, because he hadn't needed to dig and hit that level before-- superman was more powerful than they want to admit. [And which he showed more and more frequently as time passed]

AND he has grown more powerful.

Originally posted by JBL
People were wrong about superman growing more powerful. The DDs stalemate.

Originally posted by Galan007
Or maybe ...just maybe... people have been drastically underestimating DoS Doomsday all these years..? mmm

...mhmm

this. and stalemate or double ko like what happened with dd and superman.

Originally posted by JBL
People were wrong about superman growing more powerful. The DDs stalemate.

You believe you've definitively proven that Superman wasn't weakened when split. Explain then why he stated, both directly and implied, that he was weaker than before, multiple times, in SUPERMAN: LOIS & CLARK, which definitely is before merging back.

"Digging a 13 mile wide trench in the ocean floor.....is NOT as easy as it used to be."

"May not be what I was...."

"Not sure why, but my powers aren't what they were." "Whatever the case, it's taken a toll.....leaving me weaker than I care to admit."

"She can cut me?! Because I've gotten weaker?"

So, what mental gymnastics are you going to do now?

Originally posted by Juntai
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Both.

Doomsday is stronger than they want to admit, and though his regular operating level was lower prior to DOS, because he hadn't needed to dig and hit that level before-- superman was more powerful than they want to admit. [And which he showed more and more frequently as time passed]

AND he has grown more powerful.

Shows superman always had dynamic strength.

That superman when needed was able to reach into himself and kill a being that can go toe to toe with a current upgraded superman. If this isn't proof, then I don't know what is.

Originally posted by Galan007
Or maybe ...just maybe... people have been drastically underestimating DoS Doomsday all these years..? mmm

...mhmm

DoS DD was taken down by a Superman mental/power state that nobody has experienced before or ever since, baring the Imperiex Probes [and we know how that turned out]. Before that, he was tanking everything like he was fighting children [including 'normal' Superman, J'onn and many others]. Unless people would like to argue Byrne Superman isn't high-herald [I invite them to try], DoS DD was trans in terms of 'forum stature'.

I don't know how anybody can argue he was not impressive.

Originally posted by Galan007
Or maybe ...just maybe... people have been drastically underestimating DoS Doomsday all these years..? mmm

...mhmm

If he was stronger than what we thought and Superman indeed has grown more powerful (and this recent version of Doomsday was stomping him, Diana and Lex at the same time), he wouldn't have died from a far weaker Superman (if that was the case).

Crazy thing about this is, Superman admitted during his recent fight against Doomsday that he wasn't pulling his punches, and he was still losing, so you can't even use the argument Superman was holding back. There is a lot of contradictory going on here by fans but let's see what Galan have to say.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Shows superman always had dynamic strength.

That superman when needed was able to reach into himself and kill a being that can go toe to toe with a current upgraded superman. If this isn't proof, then I don't know what is.

Doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't make sense.

Its called PIS.

Batman has stalemated a bloodlusted WW in battle. She wasn't holding back. Doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't make sense.

Would love to hear your explanation why it doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Its called PIS.

Batman has stalemated a bloodlusted WW in battle. She wasn't holding back. Doesn't make sense.

Or dynamic Strength.
DOS Superman was physically able to kill a being that can go toe to toe with the current upgraded superman.

^ Well we do know for a fact that DoS Doomsday possessed dynamic strength:
http://i.imgur.com/mb7Dd6V.jpg

"As we traded blows, [Doomsday] got stronger..."

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Well we do know for a fact that DoS Doomsday possessed dynamic strength:
http://i.imgur.com/mb7Dd6V.jpg

"As we traded blows, [Doomsday] got [b]stronger..." [/B]

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And a weaker Superman killed him whereas a supposedly more powerful Superman struggled against the same Doomsday, and was losing, while going all out. Do you not see anything wrong with this?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Well we do know for a fact that DoS Doomsday possessed dynamic strength:
http://i.imgur.com/mb7Dd6V.jpg

"As we traded blows, [Doomsday] got [b]stronger..." [/B]

Superman's statement implied Doomsday was getting stronger in DOS, and Doomsday's YEAR ONE thing showed he did have dynamic strength. REBIRTH simply made it clear Doomsday was getting stronger as the fight went on.

But, as you can see here and many other threads, the Superman detractors, well.....

Thanks for the input guys, I was confused by this because it seemed to contradict what was earlier written concerning Doomsday's strength level in direct comparison to Superman's strength level. What still has me confused is whether or not Superman of Rebirth is presently weaker than he was just prior to the DC reboot into the Nu52 era? If he is more powerful than he was during DOS, and this Doomsday of Rebirth was able to pretty much dominate him, IMO I would think that Rebirth Doomsday could possibly one shot him. After all, DOS Doomsday was not impossible to take down if he was hit by enough power, as we saw during the end of DOS. Maybe I'm just not getting it. I apologize for this in advance. Maybe it's exactly what Dark Saint said. PIS?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Superman's statement implied Doomsday was getting stronger in DOS, and Doomsday's YEAR ONE thing showed he did have dynamic strength. REBIRTH simply made it clear Doomsday was getting stronger as the fight went on.

But, as you can see here and many other threads, the Superman detractors, well.....

There isn't any detractors.