Doomsday (DOS) vs Doomsday (Rebirth)

Originally posted by Delta1938
Superman's statement implied Doomsday was getting stronger in DOS, and Doomsday's YEAR ONE thing showed he did have dynamic strength. REBIRTH simply made it clear Doomsday was getting stronger as the fight went on.

But, as you can see here and many other threads, the Superman detractors, well.....

Getting away from the detractors for a moment. If Superman was/is more powerful now than he was during DOS, and Rebirth's Doomsday was at the same level as DOS Doomsday, Superman going all out should have taken Rebirth's Doomsday down regardless of Doomsday's ability to evolve. He shouldn't have had been able to evolve fast enough, if Superman went at him with everything he had, which seemed to be the case in the more recent Action Comics. Do you see what I'm getting at?

Originally posted by carver9
There isn't any detractors.

"There AREN'T any detractors." And that is blatantly false. You're one of them.

I thought you had me on Ignore? Since you're replying to me, how about you take a look at what I said to JBL in regards to "Superman wasn't weakened when he was split?" You hold basically the same view as him. Since you both so desperately need it to be true.

Originally posted by Delta1938
"There AREN'T any detractors." And that is blatantly false. You're one of them.

I thought you had me on Ignore? Since you're replying to me, how about you take a look at what I said to JBL in regards to "Superman wasn't weakened when he was split?" You hold basically the same view as him. Since you both so desperately need it to be true.

What did you post in regards to Superman being weakened?

Originally posted by Stoic
Getting away from the detractors for a moment. If Superman was/is more powerful now than he was during DOS, and Rebirth's Doomsday was at the same level as DOS Doomsday, Superman going all out should have taken Rebirth's Doomsday down regardless of Doomsday's ability to evolve. He shouldn't have had been able to evolve fast enough, if Superman went at him with everything he had, which seemed to be the case in the more recent Action Comics. Do you see what I'm getting at?

Missed this. Take a look at my post to JBL, those scans all take place before the REBIRTH Doomsday fight, but before Superman was whole again. Could be the explanation.

Originally posted by carver9
What did you post in regards to Superman being weakened?

Read the post, dunderhead.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Well we do know for a fact that DoS Doomsday possessed dynamic strength:
http://i.imgur.com/mb7Dd6V.jpg

"As we traded blows, [Doomsday] got [b]stronger..." [/B]

Originally posted by carver9
What did you post in regards to Superman being weakened?

He got put back together in Superman Reborn, merged with New52 Superman.

He and New52 Superman were half the power of one whole.

So that whole benchpressing a planet for 5 days?

Didn't even stress Superman at half strength.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Missed this. Take a look at my post to JBL, those scans all take place before the REBIRTH Doomsday fight, but before Superman was whole again. Could be the explanation.

Read the post, dunderhead.

Oh okay. Thanks.

Originally posted by Juntai
He posted from the Lois and Clark series where Superman mentioned he was weakened several times.

He got put back together in Superman Reborn, merged with New52 Superman.

He and New52 Superman were half the power of one whole.

So that whole benchpressing a planet for 5 days?

Didn't even stress Superman at half strength.

Nice. But for a while there, people were under the impression that Nu52 Superman was vastly more powerful than his Pre Flashpoint twin. You may remember this? It was in part due to Pre Flashpoint Superman needing J'onn and Diana's help in towing the Earth. I realize on the other hand that comic books tend to have a few contradictions from time to time. I realize that Superman holds back a lot, but in his latest run in with Doomsday, he wasn't holding back at all. Doomsday threatened his family, and he wasn't playing around.

I can easily believe that Superman, as well as several other characters (Thor, Doomsday, etc) have dynamic strength, after all why should the Hulk be the only one to have this power? There are after all many characters that have healing factors. Going back on topic, my first impression was that Rebirth's Superman, should have run the bag off of Rebirth's Doomsday, and the only reason that he didn't was because the Doomsday of Rebirth was vastly more powerful than DOS Doomsday for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Missed this. Take a look at my post to JBL, those scans all take place before the REBIRTH Doomsday fight, but before Superman was whole again. Could be the explanation.

Read the post, dunderhead.

Which post?

Originally posted by carver9
Which post?

Not sure if playing stupid, or not playing. vin

Look at the first page. It's pretty obvious when I posted it in response to JBL.

Originally posted by Juntai
He posted from the Lois and Clark series where Superman mentioned he was weakened several times.

He got put back together in Superman Reborn, merged with New52 Superman.

He and New52 Superman were half the power of one whole.

So that whole benchpressing a planet for 5 days?

Didn't even stress Superman at half strength.

I know you feel as if this is the way it should work but comics doesn't work like that. Example...Nul was ALL of Hulk power. He was Hulk essence. Came straight from him.

Even with Nul being a part of Hulk, his total power, during this time, Hulk was still shaking the planet with his punches. And let's get one thing out of the way; Nul wasn't a weakling either. It was said that nothing could stop him...NOTHING.

Anyways, it was said on multiple of occasions that Nul had the power to break the World (I'm guessing using your argument, he was at half power)...

Don't think anyone in their right mind would say Nul or Hulk was weakened...let alone at half power. It's retarded. Then this goes against the idea of Suoseman having dynamic strength/power. This is an example of having dynamic strength...

Absorb Hulk power...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3489237-red+hulk+nukes+2.jpg

Hulk bounce back up more powerful.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3489238-hulk+walks+out+of+rulk%27s+nuke.jpg

It should be next to impossible to permanently depower someone with dynamic power/strength. Anyways, nothing was said of Superman being at half of his power just like nothing was said of Hulk losing ALL of his power when Nul appeared.

Please, get back on topic everyone.

Also want to point out that the device Nul broke was the heart of an entire universe.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Please, get back on topic everyone.

Ok.

Originally posted by carver9
I know you feel as if this is the way it should work but comics doesn't work like that. Example...Nul was ALL of Hulk power. He was Hulk essence. Came straight from him.

Even with Nul being a part of Hulk, his total power, during this time, Hulk was still shaking the planet with his punches. And let's get one thing out of the way; Nul wasn't a weakling either. It was said that nothing could stop him...NOTHING.

Anyways, it was said on multiple of occasions that Nul had the power to break the World (I'm guessing using your argument, he was at half power)...

Don't think anyone in their right mind would say Nul or Hulk was weakened...let alone at half power. It's retarded. Then this goes against the idea of Suoseman having dynamic strength/power. This is an example of having dynamic strength...

Absorb Hulk power...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3489237-red+hulk+nukes+2.jpg

Hulk bounce back up more powerful.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3489238-hulk+walks+out+of+rulk%27s+nuke.jpg

It should be next to impossible to permanently depower someone with dynamic power/strength. Anyways, nothing was said of Superman being at half of his power just like nothing was said of Hulk losing ALL of his power when Nul appeared.

Because Nul was a mystical entity possessing Hulk.

Never change Carter.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Because Nul was a mystical entity possessing Hulk.

Never change Carter.

Originally posted by carver9

Just like Hulk doesn't has a portion of Bruce Banner's power even though he is Banner's Hulk.

Stop already.

The problem is Carver, that Superman was actually written to be weaker while split. He made note of it many times in the lead up to Rebirth.

And the comic says he was split in two explicitly to make him weaker.

It was Superman's power, split into two beings.

Your trash Nul example doesn't have that going for it.

Originally posted by Stoic
Getting away from the detractors for a moment. If Superman was/is more powerful now than he was during DOS, and Rebirth's Doomsday was at the same level as DOS Doomsday, Superman going all out should have taken Rebirth's Doomsday down regardless of Doomsday's ability to evolve. He shouldn't have had been able to evolve fast enough, if Superman went at him with everything he had, which seemed to be the case in the more recent Action Comics. Do you see what I'm getting at?

Hey, it is also possible that DOS superman because of his dynamic strength exceeded rebirth superman at his current levels. Push comes to Shove, rebirth superman could have done the same thing and easily put away doomsday as he is more powerful now than before. But it didn't come to that. Also possible like Delta was saying that superman hadn't merged yet and was at half power. But what is half of infinity?

Originally posted by Diesldude
Hey, it is also possible that DOS superman because of his dynamic strength exceeded rebirth superman at his current levels. Push comes to Shove, rebirth superman could have done the same thing and easily put away doomsday as he is more powerful now than before. But it didn't come to that. Also possible like Delta was saying that superman hadn't merged yet and was at half power. But what is half of infinity?