Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm aware that this gets out of hand when you start arguing that Dooku can shit on Revan or beat Valkorion in a Force contest, but for all intents and purposes the argument is designed to show first and foremost not just that Dooku can stand up to Yoda but that we all exaggerate the gaps between most characters in general. And for all the claims of "PT wank" being out of hand, I think it's a fair movement given what we've seen in the past. Like, Revan is not ragdolling Dooku or "annihilating him in Force" with a gesture, nor is Malak or every second Sith Lord "destroying" Obi-Wan via the Force, etc. We're just vastly, vastly overexaggerating the gaps here. And the inverse applies also: Dooku isn't easily beating Revan in saber combat nor casually overpowering him in the Force, as I've seen the argument be made recently. Nor is Valkorion falling to every second high-tier character, even considering his oft-cited failings in combat. That's another theme that's coming up recently. There's just too much agenda and anti-agenda going on and we keep feeling the need to exaggerate just how big the gap is between characters. It would be appreciated if we just took the facts as they were and modelled arguments around them, rather than setting up an argument first and selectively looking for facts to support them.
I agree with your entire post, except this part. There is no such thing as a retarded opinion, only retarded arguments. Dooku > Valkorion, Dooku >>>>> Revan, Revan >>>>> Dooku, Malak >> Obi-Wan, Valkorion dying to everyone etc. are all perfectly valid stances to hold. Dismissing them as ridiculous or whatever seems extremely short-sighted to me, since nowhere is it factually stated that these are not true, except maybe in one's own head.
If you wish to debate me on some of these, then I am more than willing, although you don't have to if you're retired.
I'm aware that this gets out of hand when you start arguing that Dooku can shit on Revan or beat Valkorion in a Force contest, but for all intents and purposes the argument is designed to show first and foremost not just that Dooku can stand up to Yoda but that we all exaggerate the gaps between most characters in general. And for all the claims of "PT wank" being out of hand, I think it's a fair movement given what we've seen in the past. Like, Revan is not ragdolling Dooku or "annihilating him in Force" with a gesture, nor is Malak or every second Sith Lord "destroying" Obi-Wan via the Force, etc. We're just vastly, vastly overexaggerating the gaps here. And the inverse applies also: Dooku isn't easily beating Revan in saber combat nor casually overpowering him in the Force, as I've seen the argument be made recently. Nor is Valkorion falling to every second high-tier character, even considering his oft-cited failings in combat. That's another theme that's coming up recently. There's just too much agenda and anti-agenda going on and we keep feeling the need to exaggerate just how big the gap is between characters. It would be appreciated if we just took the facts as they were and modelled arguments around them, rather than setting up an argument first and selectively looking for facts to support them.
This. 100x this. @Sunrazer
Even StarWars.Com states that Yoda easily handled Dooku's Lightning attacks:
"Ready to finish the Jedi, Dooku stopped when he heard familiar footsteps: Yoda had arrived. The Sith claimed to be more powerful than any Jedi, but Yoda easily absorbed his Force lightning attack. “Much to learn you still have,” he said." - StarWars.Com: Count Dooku Databank.
Ant did a complete 180 on this and now supports Yooku scaling.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16350151#post16350151