Round 1 - I'd give it to Luke in a tough fight. Bucky is a more skilled fighter, but I feel like Luke's overall strength/striking and durability will get him over the line.
Round 2 - Winter Soldier takes this comfortably. He has enough heavy explosives in his arsenal so that it would be goodnight for Luke.
Round 3 - I honestly don't know. Based on respective feats, the metal arm and Luke's arms are pretty close to each other.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Round 1 - I'd give it to Luke in a tough fight. Bucky is a more skilled fighter, but I feel like Luke's overall strength/striking and durability will get him over the line.Round 2 - Winter Soldier takes this comfortably. He has enough heavy explosives in his arsenal so that it would be goodnight for Luke.
Round 3 - I honestly don't know. Based on respective feats, the metal arm and Luke's arms are pretty close to each other.
Agreed. 1 to Luke, 2 to Bucky, 3 I'd give to Luke but I can see either way.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Don't see why Cage can't tag him. Bucky is not untouchable in fights, and Cage isn't some unskilled mook either. Winter Soldier would land more hits, obviously, but only his robo limb is a serious threat, whereas any of Luke's limbs would rock him.
If we consider Bucky to be roughly equal to Cap in strength and Cap was strong enough to rock Ironman with his bare fists then Cage isn't no selling Bucky's regular hits either.
And Bucky was nearly untouchable in h2h unless confronted with other fighters with enhanced speed and agility as well (Cap and BP) or had mobility advantages (Falcon) or had a huge advantage in strength (IM).
Originally posted by FrothByte
If we consider Bucky to be roughly equal to Cap in strength and Cap was strong enough to rock Ironman with his bare fists then Cage isn't no selling Bucky's regular hits either.And Bucky was nearly untouchable in h2h unless confronted with other fighters with enhanced speed and agility as well (Cap and BP) or had mobility advantages (Falcon) or had a huge advantage in strength (IM).
Cap only did any actual notable damage with his shield. And, besides, we don't need to look at Steve there. We see how Bucky fared in that same fight, and only his metal arm made any real impact on Tony's armour. And Iron Man, in return, beat the holy hell out of Bucky. He was bloody, battered, missing an arm, and needed Steve's help to leave the battlefield. Bottom line is, with the exception of the metal arm, hits from Luke to Bucky are going to do more damage than hits from Bucky to Luke.
Bucky has been tagged by people without enhanced speed before (Tony, BW, Agent 13). And they aren't as strong or tough as Luke either, who can resort to things like bullrushing tactics as well. And the CA:CW Iron Man suit did not show strength levels that were hugely greater than Cap or Bucky. And Cage isn't the absolute fastest guy around, but he isn't slow either, and has shown that he can still keep up with more nimble opponents, such as the time where he faced that guy who was flipping around, Batroc style, and casually caught and tossed him over his head.
Anyway, I feel like we will get a better impression of Cage's fighting speed/skill when The Defenders comes out, because he will be tussling with the Hand, have a scuffle with Iron Fist, and quite possibly go up against Black Sky Elektra at some point.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Aside from Tony, those combatants are faster, more agile and more skilled than Cage.
Agent 13 has virtually no feats of note, so her capabilities are mostly implied by her SHIELD status. Also, they can't take more than one or two hits from Bucky without going down, unlike Luke who, as I pointed out, can do things like bullrush Bucky. And, as I already pointed out, Luke has tussled with people who were faster and more agile than him and still tagged them. And, again, Cage himself is not unskilled. He was a boxer, Marine (and MCU Marine training is pretty formidable, if a character like the Punisher is anything to go by), cop and prison fight champion. He's taken out fodder while going pretty much untouched before (such as the boxing gym fight, Cottonmouth's club fight etc.), despite the fact that he doesn't really need to worry about being hit. And my point was also more that it doesn't actually take enhanced speed or a massive strength advantage to tag him.
I mean do you think either Black Widow or Agent 13 are so above Luke in terms of speed and skill that they could stalemate him in an H2H fight by avoiding all of his blows?
Well the way I see it, if you removed Luke's enhanced strength and durability then he wouldn't stand a chance against Black Widow or Agent 13. Military training and some boxing background might make you a formidable fighter in the real world but in the fictional MCU universe that just makes you fodder for high end SHIELD agents.
Whereas even if you removed Bucky's enhancement he'd still have his Hydra training which should make him around the level of top SHIELD agents.
Except all Punisher has is military training (the same kind as Luke in fact), yet the guy can hang with the likes of Daredevil, who was trained by the leader of the Chaste, and can fodderize groups of trained ninjas. And nameless SHIELD and Hydra agents have also gone down pretty easily to more notable characters before. So, judging purely on supposed credentials doesn't always give the most accurate representation, as skill levels can still fluctuate wildly from person to person. Like I said, I do consider Bucky more skilled, but I don't see him as being totally untouchable by Luke either.
But I am fine with agreeing to disagree on the topic for now. It won't be too long until we get a better indicator. As mentioned previously, The Defenders should give us a better impression of where Luke stands. From the looks of the trailer, he was capable of tagging Iron Fist just fine, but we won't know the proper context until the show comes out.