Originally posted by Darth Thor
The DS Nexus which the Story Group can't confirm amplified Maul and Vader in combat.Even Filoni has made zero mention of any such amp.
So yeah speculation.
Actually Ahsoka's stomping the Inquisitors (off Malachor) was pretty similar to the level at which Maul was stomping them (on Malachor), hence further evidence Maul and Ahsoka are approx on par.
Maul only stomped one inqusitor and did it by way of force choke.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
post the quote/linkAs it is, malachor being a possible nexus doesn't contradict it being a nexus as gilroy implied it to be.
I'll have to search my twitter account. Hidalgo didn't deny that Malachor's a nexus, he said it was only a possibility that the planet amped the fighters.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Ahsoka. Maul never really faced one for a prolonged time so drawing a deceisive conclusion is difficult.
Yeah but that Rocky's point, that it was because of the DS Nexus.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
1. Hnery Gilroy implied it, and as no one has provided evidence saying otherwise, we can just take it as word of authority2. Maul only stomped one inqusitor and did it by way of force choke.
1. Henry Gilroy's comment can't be used when he himself says he doesn't know and you have to ask Filoni Lol
DD9 asked Hidalgo himself on Twitter who also can't give a definitive answer on that. And yet you can Lol
2. I suggest you watch the episode again. He stomped the Inqs on every level. Engaged 3 on his own at 1 point.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
The amp is only a possibility according to Hidalgo himself so stop making your omown reality
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but that Rocky's point, that it was because of the DS Nexus.2. I suggest you watch the episode again. He stomped the Inqs on every level. Engaged 3 on his own at 1 point.
The nexus could very well have played a role but other things might also be important to take into account. For example the fact that the Inquisitors could've grown between Future of the Force and Twilight of the Apprentice, heck both Ezra and Kanan advanced solidly because of their confrontations with the Inquisitors. Another might be how the Fifth Brother takes a total different approach towards Ahsoka (more defensive) compared to the fight in Future of the Force which makes him lasting longer a logical result.
Maul confronted the three of them, sure, but nothing suggests he could stomp them in a one vs one fight consecutively. Take a look at how the Fifth Brother is surviving Maul's offense after already fending off Ahsoka for almost 2 minutes.
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I suggest you rewatch the episode. Maul never stomped any of the inquisitors barring the use of the force which Ahsoka has also done. He kicked off oen and then briefly held off two landing a blow before when dealing with the 5th brother individually. He then fell back when the third inqusitor reentered the fight. and engaged. Then the 8th brother and then 7th sister attacked him indiidually with maul landing a kick(which doesn't constitute a stomp btw) on the 8th brother and then engaging the 7th sister in a blade lock. Then when the other two attacked they were met by kanan and ahsoka and fled.
While we can obviously infer maul superior to each inquisitor individually(which is obvious), we have no way to compare a showing as brief and inconclusive as that vs what Ahsoka did to the inquisitors in future of the force. Hence the "maul fared just as well as ahsoka did" argument is baseless and doesn't remotely counter and isn't even relevant to my point.
We saw the inquisitors, specifically 5th brother do far better vs ahsoka on malachor than he did outside.
I'd like to see what pablo said. Regardless the inqusitors possibly being amped means its a possibility. And evidence supports it with gilroy's commentary, which feloni has yet to deny, the inqusitors far outperforming themselves vs ahsoka here than in their last fight outside malachor, and maul being able to match ahsoka dspite being authoritatively inferior on even ground not just per feloni, but per the hole crew of revels("we all felt that"😉.
In fairness you can argue that its not definitive so we shouldn't assume so which is fair. but then you shouldn't be making assertions on where on Ahsoka stands aside form what we you can definitively conclude.
Its equally fair for me to look at the evidence supporting the idea darksiders were amped, even if its not definitive, and raise ahsoka based on that inference. at least untill we get something saying they weren't amped
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
The nexus could very well have played a role but other things might also be important to take into account. For example the fact that the Inquisitors could've grown between Future of the Force and Twilight of the Apprentice, heck both Ezra and Kanan advanced solidly because of their confrontations with the Inquisitors. Another might be how the Fifth Brother takes a total different approach towards Ahsoka (more defensive) compared to the fight in Future of the Force which makes him lasting longer a logical result.Maul confronted the three of them, sure, but nothing suggests he could stomp them in a one vs one fight consecutively. Take a look at how the Fifth Brother is surviving Maul's offense after already fending off Ahsoka for almost 2 minutes.
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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'd like to see what pablo said. Regardless the inqusitors possibly being amped means its a possibility. And evidence supports it with gilroy's commentary, which feloni has yet to deny, the inqusitors far outperforming themselves vs ahsoka here than in their last fight outside malachor, and maul being able to match ahsoka dspite being authoritatively inferior on even ground not just per feloni, but per the hole crew of revels("we all felt that"😉.In fairness you can argue that its not definitive so we shouldn't assume so which is fair. but then you shouldn't be making assertions on where on Ahsoka stands aside form what we you can definitively conclude.
Its equally fair for me to look at the evidence supporting the idea darksiders were amped, even if its not definitive, and raise ahsoka based on that inference. at least untill we get something saying they weren't amped
It's not just Malachor which is different between both confrontations though, you've got to ask yourself if it's realistic that Malachor's amp would be as big as you claim it is because that would also indicate that Ahsoka might be Vader's equal on even ground. This goes directly against Filoni's idea of how you can't touch Vader and so on.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
It's not just Malachor which is different between both confrontations though, you've got to ask yourself if it's realistic that Malachor's amp would be as big as you claim it is because that would also indicate that Ahsoka might be Vader's equal on even ground. This goes directly against Filoni's idea of how you can't touch Vader and so on.
I just said Ahsoka is a "near equal" of vader.
Also there's no reason to assume maul couldn't hold his own vs vader. As should be obvious while Kenobi is superior to maul, and is beyond his ability to beat per authority, the short fight, as rebels recon made abundantly clear wasn't because ben was vastly above maul, but for a mix of reasons.
I see no reason to assume there's some massive gap between vader, ahsoka, kenobi and maul. All of whom could be relatively close to each other
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Except I never argued ahsoka=vader.I just said Ahsoka is a "near equal" of vader.
Yes but you claimed that the Inquisitor's superior performance could be solely the effect of Malachor's nexus, but if you would make the amp so big it would also affect the whole "Vader's untouchable" idea which Filoni and his team support.
I think that it's reasonable for us both to accept that Malachor's nexus played a role in the Inquisitors favor combined with other reasons (different approach, improved abilities)?
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Yes but you claimed that the Inquisitor's superior performance could be solely the effect of Malachor's nexus, but if you would make the amp so big it would also affect the whole "Vader's untouchable" idea which Filoni and his team support.I think that it's reasonable for us both to accept that Malachor's nexus played a role in the Inquisitors favor combined with other reasons (different approach, improved abilities)?
I'm just saying Ahsoka should be fairly close to vader even if she can't beat him, which is also true of ben kenobi.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9Maul confronted the three of them, sure, but nothing suggests he could stomp them in a one vs one fight consecutively. Take a look at how the Fifth Brother is surviving Maul's offense after already fending off Ahsoka for almost 2 minutes.
The Inquisitors were clearly outmatched by Maul. I can't believe this is even being questioned.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
The Inquisitors were clearly outmatched by Maul. I can't believe this is even being questioned.
There's no basis to compare maul's performance to ahsoka's performance given how inconclusive the saber bouts, and so it can't be used as an counter against my point
Originally posted by Darth Thor
The Inquisitors were clearly outmatched by Maul. I can't believe this is even being questioned.
One on one? Sure nobody's questioning that, but Maul's wasn't dominating all of them. He first landed a kick on the SS and then attacked the FB but when they started to work together, while he was still evading and landing hits yet to a far lesser effect.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
One on one? Sure nobody's questioning that, but Maul's wasn't dominating all of them. He first landed a kick on the SS and then attacked the FB but when they started to work together, while he was still evading and landing hits yet to a far lesser effect.
But he was also holding his own against 3 of them simultaneously.