Originally posted by Stoic
Keeping in mind that when guys like Wolverine, Sabretooth, and Spiderman defeat guys like Thor, Orion, and the Hulk, it's a great showing for them, and a poor showing for the guys far above their weight class.It's easy to convincingly argue PIS by showing on panel proof, but in a forum setting, PIS becomes more or less irrelevant due to the idea that they all fight within character to the best of their ability. Hulk, Thor, Orion, and Superman, are all able to KO these three without going all out. This is a fact that no one can sidestep.
You wouldn't even have to go the low-ball route to prove this fact either. The Hulk's highs in comparison to these three are light years apart.
You do realize how circular that reasoning is, right? Any time these guys fail to knockout someone weaker than them, it's a low showing? Even when they're in the middle of a tear of high showings, and the whole point of the arc is how unstoppable they are, ala WWH?
Right, no PIS. And that suddenly means that when characters have dozens of high showings, none of them can be used, because then your precious heralds might get cut down to size?
I could argue that any time Wolverine's failed to dish out fatal damage to guys like Hulk and Thor, it's PIS, because of the durability of things he's cut through, and his skill and willingness to go for vital areas, but it'd just be self serving nonsense. They get their durability showings, just like he gets his showings of his claws effectiveness. The same goes here, Hulk, Thor, and Orion get their strength showings, but Wolverine and Sabertooth get their durability showings, you can't pick and choose.
A true high herald, with all the versatility and power that implies, will beat this team. High herald strength and durability isn't enough to do it on its own, they've proven they're too good for that.
