Originally posted by Delta1938
At worst for Hulk that'd keep them off balance. I'd imagine would be problematic for Wolverine and Sabertooth with their hearing.
It'd hurt, but Wolverine's powered through Hulk's thunderclaps before. And later, being right next to him as he dished an extremely powerful one into the pit they were standing in did nothing to him:
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Always wondered about it.It's really something that should've been included in the rules section.
Yeah, it'd be nice to get an official ruling, so we know in other threads besides this one.
I treat it the same way as a BFR.
If, say, Wolverine was thrown a few hundred​ metres away, he can get back into the fight in good time whilst Sabes is fighting.
However, if he's thrown to Georgia....
So if the time he's KOed is equal to the time it counts as a BFR, then he's out of the forum fight.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I treat it the same way as a BFR.If, say, Wolverine was thrown a few hundred​ metres away, he can get back into the fight in good time whilst Sabes is fighting.
However, if he's thrown to Georgia....
So if the time he's KOed is equal to the time it counts as a BFR, then he's out of the forum fight.
That makes sense. Do you apply that to one on one fights, too, or do you go by moment of unconsciousness. Cause my instinct is for what you're saying here, but I've been told the latter is the forum rule. Funny enough, when I check the Forum rules, I don't see it mentioned either way.
I apply it to one on ones too, with the caveat I might vary the time length. Out for a ten count is what I generally have in my head, whereas of course, being thrown over 100m away (the distance Usain Bolt could cover in 10 seconds) is nothing in these fights.
So same principle, but a shorter time frame for KOs, and longer for BFRs.
Originally posted by Ize19
It'd hurt, but Wolverine's powered through Hulk's thunderclaps before. And later, being right next to him as he dished an extremely powerful one into the pit they were standing in did nothing to him:
And let's not forget about Logan's fights against Banshee or Navajo Coyote. Wolverine is not Daredevil, his HF and overall toughness allow him to power through sonic attacks.
Yeah, it'd be nice to get an official ruling, so we know in other threads besides this one.
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Originally posted by Ize19
Cool, good to know. Yeah, I remember people bringing up the "forum ko" and thinking, "but if he's out for two seconds, then gets back up and kills them, how is that a loss?" I'd certainly be ok with 10 count for KO, I don' know, 15 min for bfr? Too much?
Kenichi was knocked out by Shou Kano first. Out "on his feet".
He was also fighting while unconscious, though.
Otoh, Kenichi was declared the winner by the Elder, when he got up before Kano could. Like one of those boxing 10 counts when both guys are down.
However, Kenichi was done, while Kano had enough spring to shield Miu with his body as a gunman pulled the trigger.
So who "really" won? Odds are, Kano probably could have killed Kenichi as easily as protect Miu.
Originally posted by Faceless808
Wouldn't it be logical for the time to be considered KO be the same time it takes to be considered BFR? Why would/should it be different, whether its 1 v 1 or not?
10 seconds, for a KO (like in boxing) - that's the time a good sprinter takes to cover 100m.
Featureless environs in a forum fight, means a starting distance of 500m.
Being punched 100m away is nothing to these guys, especially as they'll be charging back, snarling, ready to continue the fight.
But to be KOd for a 10 count?
Originally posted by cdtm
Kenichi was knocked out by Shou Kano first. Out "on his feet".He was also fighting while unconscious, though.
Otoh, Kenichi was declared the winner by the Elder, when he got up before Kano could. Like one of those boxing 10 counts when both guys are down.
However, Kenichi was done, while Kano had enough spring to shield Miu with his body as a gunman pulled the trigger.
So who "really" won? Odds are, Kano probably could have killed Kenichi as easily as protect Miu.
Absolutely, but a lot of that was plot. You wouldn't give DoD Kenichi the forum win against Kano, would you? It was a fight Kenichi needed to win, and Kano was a character the mangaka needed to be established as above the rest of the disciples, so it was made deliberately obscure. 10 count for ko makes sense, 9/10 times, imo.
Darksaint, is 2-5 minutes more the bfr range you were thinking? I think I went a little long at first because it can be hard to tell how much time passes in comic fights, so I overshot.
Originally posted by Ize19
Absolutely, but a lot of that was plot. You wouldn't give DoD Kenichi the forum win against Kano, would you? It was a fight Kenichi needed to win, and Kano was a character the mangaka needed to be established as above the rest of the disciples, so it was made deliberately obscure. 10 count for ko makes sense, 9/10 times, imo.Darksaint, is 2-5 minutes more the bfr range you were thinking? I think I went a little long at first because it can be hard to tell how much time passes in comic fights, so I overshot.
2-5 sounds good to me - say in a herald level fight, the power outputs thrown about means that if Gladiator threw Surfer, he'd end up faaar away - but at the speeds he travels at, it's hardly an inconvenience.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85but how would something like a ten count work in a forum match? In boxing when someone goes down the ref stops the other fighter.
10 seconds, for a KO (like in boxing) - that's the time a good sprinter takes to cover 100m.Featureless environs in a forum fight, means a starting distance of 500m.
Being punched 100m away is nothing to these guys, especially as they'll be charging back, snarling, ready to continue the fight.
But to be KOd for a 10 count?
In a forum match if u KO u'r opponent for 2 sec but need a ten count to win why wouldn't the fighter standing just keep pounding the crap out of the unconscious fighter so they don't wake back up?
Or are we supposed to picture the guy landing the blow to just take a step back after koing their opponent and see if they get up in a reasonable time?
Also in a forum fight how would u determine what would be a blow that would result in a 4 sec KO as opposed to a ten?
Originally posted by Raptor22
but how would something like a ten count work in a forum match? In boxing when someone goes down the ref stops the other fighter.In a forum match if u KO u'r opponent for 2 sec but need a ten count to win why wouldn't the fighter standing just keep pounding the crap out of the unconscious fighter so they don't wake back up?
Or are we supposed to picture the guy landing the blow to just take a step back after koing their opponent and see if they get up in a reasonable time?
Also in a forum fight how would u determine what would be a blow that would result in a 4 sec KO as opposed to a ten?
It's more if the damage output from the puncher is so severe, it would take the punchee 10 secs or so to recover from it.
It would be based on their history of recovering from similar punches.
Batman punching Guy Gardner, for example. That level of punch may (MAY) KO Deadpool - for like a millisecond. Because we have seen what DP has recovered from.
So h2h, only boxing rules? Bats ain't KOing DP. Hulk, however, is (I'm using an extreme here to make my point).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
10 seconds, for a KO (like in boxing) - that's the time a good sprinter takes to cover 100m.Featureless environs in a forum fight, means a starting distance of 500m.
Being punched 100m away is nothing to these guys, especially as they'll be charging back, snarling, ready to continue the fight.
But to be KOd for a 10 count?
Gotcha. But it makes me laugh. The power it takes to hit a 200lb man 100m is way more than it would take to knock out the same 200lb man. So how would this work with someone with a rapid healing factor, like Stilt said?