This version of Vader is probably his second weakest, only ahead of his DL:RoDV incarnation. Him getting utterly squared by Kenobi, when he's previously dishing out +Yoda tier ass whoopings on Dooku is evidence in and of itself.
Fact is he was way off his game on Mustafar, against a Jedi as stupidly powerful as KOTFE Outlander he isn't going to do well.
If this was Knightfall Vader he'd win though.
Originally posted by NephthysAs a spirit yeah, the best he could manage in bodily form was walk onto a lightsaber. He just did what Nadd did on Korriban, nothing special.Even Act III Hero of Tython defeated a Vitiate powerful enough to destroy the Dark Temple despite being on one of the strongest DS nexus' in history and after fighting through legions of Sith and Imperial Guards. Hell, even Act I Hero was stronger and more powerful than a Barsen'thor who was crumpling house-sized blast doors like tin foil and defeated an Ancient Sith empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters while weakened. Act I weakened and exhausted Barsen'thor would still bitchslap Obi-Wan like he owed her money and the Hero is > her explicitly. KotFE Hotlander is overkill.
coughpluskotfeoutlanderhasvalkorioncough
And we all know the HoT being more powerful than the Barsenthor is wishful thinking. Face it Outlander is getting murked. 🙁
His body dematerialised lol, whether or not he was "dead" or alive the guy was incorporeal, and given just before he couldn't stop the HoT from ragdolling him, obviously he wasn't drawing on his own power.
Not really, he is just their best and most effective warrior. Doesn't necessarily translate into superior TK, which he never displays. So... yeah.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
His body dematerialised lol, whether or not he was "dead" or alive the guy was incorporeal, and given just before he couldn't stop the HoT from ragdolling him, obviously he wasn't drawing on his own power.Not really, he is just their best and most effective warrior. Doesn't necessarily translate into superior TK, which he never displays. So... yeah.
Thats the first time I've even seen that interpretation. I suppose you're going off of the body being hidden in smoke but I don't see it disappear and its impossible to tell definitively. At any rate the temple starts collapsing before he "dematerialises" and in the DS ending its specifically stated that "I can sense him fading, but he is not gone" so he clearly performs the feat while alive and not as a spirit. Not that I really get your point. Where the **** else would he be drawing the power from? Even assuming you're correct he'd be a weakened spirit. And the Hero ragdolled him because, get this, the Hero is staggeringly powerful.
Not to mention that your premise is inherently flawed as dying weakened him immensely.
The whole point of the Hero fighting Vitiate is that no one else in the Order is powerful enough to resist him. Also the Hero is repeatedly stated to be the strongest Jedi alive and was the most powerful member of the team of the most powerful Jedi even as of Act II. She's clearly more powerful than 'Thor and fully capable of performing all of her Act I feats with ease.
Originally posted by MythLord
I really don't give a crap what you care about, AP. I'm just noting the simple fact that most of Carthage's trolling is a better read than half the sh!t you regurgitate on a daily basis.
Aw was kicking your asses in our last two debates that painful? I'll use mittens next time.
Aryn Leneer via moving meditation, prior to becoming more powerful through her rage, allowed her to appear to be in twelve places at once and allowed her to move so fast she could utilise seconds as if they were minutes. Aryn Leneer, who by her own account isn't even as powerful as most of the Jedi High Council. Aryn Leneer, who could only hold her own against Decieved Malgus before she got stomped later on by Oneness Malgus.
Aryn Leneer, who isn't even as powerful as Act I Hero of Tython nevermind a far more powerful Act III HoT or the even more powerful Dread War HoT or even RotHC HoT or even better, SoR HoT and don't even get me started on KOTFE Outlander or better yet KOTET Outlander.
The Outlander is no Cin Drallig and this isn't even Knightfall Vader, this is a Vader who had spent three days without sleeping, eating or resting whilst his mental state had left him completely compromised. Kenobi easily outplayed and defeated him, reading the novel.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
As a spirit yeah, the best he could manage in bodily form was walk onto a lightsaber. He just did what Nadd did on Korriban, nothing special.And we all know the HoT being more powerful than the Barsenthor is wishful thinking. Face it Outlander is getting murked. 🙁
Hero of Tython is more powerful than you give him credit for.
I recall the time when you would offer a thought-provoking argument in support of any character. How far you have fallen, sad.