Originally posted by Bashar Teg
the purpose of a criminal investigation is to gather evidence. despite your childish tactic, the investigation continues.now repeat your same impotant fallacy, champ. show me what winning is.
And I deal with the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty. Nothing has even come up to suggest a possibility of a Trump/Russia collusion. And eight months is plenty of time to gather something. And yet nothing. Still nothing. Still waiting for this evidence.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
And I deal with the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty. Nothing has even come up to suggest a possibility of a Trump/Russia collusion. And eight months is plenty of time to gather something. And yet nothing. Still nothing. Still waiting for this evidence.
internet speculation does not equate to a denial of due process. (hence the investigation).
and again: appeal to ignorance is still an easily dismissible troll-tactic, regardless of how super-hard you're trying to derail/win with it. 👆
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
internet speculation does not equate to a denial of due process. (hence the investigation).and again: appeal to ignorance is still an easily dismissible troll-tactic, regardless of how super-hard you're trying to derail/win. 👆
I'll keep waiting for that evidence. Let me know if it ever shows up.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
And I deal with the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty. Nothing has even come up to suggest a possibility of a Trump/Russia collusion. And eight months is plenty of time to gather something. And yet nothing. Still nothing. Still waiting for this evidence.
There is also the issue of leaks. I fully believe if they had solid evidence it would have leaked so far.
Just to be clear to others: this is my opinion. I am not saying it is fact or that it means Trump didn't do anything wrong. You could easily argue that because of previous leaks they are keeping any evidence much more secure.
Do you personally think anything will come of this investigation? Just curious.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
I'll keep waiting for that evidence. Let me know if it ever shows up.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Beats having an argument without evidence. Still waiting.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Beats having an argument without evidence. Still waiting.
oh i get it. you know your argument is fallacious drivel, but you're one of those "last word=win" people.
okay fine. allow me (and congratulations):
Originally posted by CHAMP -1138
you personally have no proof of criminal wrongdoing, so the criminal investigation is not valid and i win. still waiting.
Originally posted by Surtur
I guess I'm confused, it's ignorance to say Trump is innocent until proven guilty and so far no evidence has come out to show his guilt?Since what I just said is a far cry from someone stating that Trump is for sure innocent.
Trump is innocent until proven guilty, that doesn't mean investigations into possible wrongdoings can't happen. How is this hard to understand?
Originally posted by Robtard
If that's the stance you're going with: Then what exactly is your complaints then?
What complaint? My response was into a discussion the other two posters were having. I said it's not ignorance to say Trump is innocent until proven guilty and so far we haven't seen any evidence. Saying that doesn't mean the investigation will not find anything. Nobody declared Trump would for sure be found innocent.
So I don't even see what the issue was to be honest.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that's a rule of law, not debate. discussing suspicious activity does not equate to conviction without trial. keep trying hard to make it so 👆
But nobody told you that you couldn't discuss suspicious activity. A poster merely pointed out he is innocent until proven guilty and that we have seen no evidence so far. He did not at any time say Trump will definitively be found innocent once the investigation concludes.
You are not the debate moderator here and nobody is stopping you from talking about what you want.
Originally posted by Surtur
But nobody told you that you couldn't discuss suspicious activity. A poster merely pointed out he is innocent until proven guilty and that we have seen no evidence so far. He did not at any time say Trump will definitively be found innocent once the investigation concludes.You are not the debate moderator here and nobody is stopping you from talking about what you want.
no, he attempted to derail discussion via appeal to ignorance. and he's STILL WAITING.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
what are we doing right now, if not continuing discussion? 🤪
You are the one that actively engaged it. If you thought someone was trying to derail the best response would have been none at all.
You literally can just start talking about impeachment again and not even mention it the other issue. Then the only reason it will continue would be if I decide to mention it again.
Originally posted by Surtur
You are the one that actively engaged it. If you thought someone was trying to derail the best response would have been none at all.You literally can just start talking about impeachment about again this and not even mention it.
i'm not trying to be topic-defender wannabe-mod. just pointed out someone's derailment-via-fallacy tactic. you're the one who can't let it go. continue not letting it go to prove me wrong. 🙂
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
possible collusion with a hostile nation. that's impeachable.but do continue your "where's the proof" tactic, as if that negates the investigation and all the suspicious ties that led to it.
me "it looks like oj did it"
you "you have no proof"
me: "dang, you won"
At this point, evidence of collusion is not wholly necessary, because the obstruction of justice is enough.