Black Panther vs. The Master · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

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Black Panther vs. The Master

Master of the World vs. Black Panther (Current)

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Battle 1 - Straight up fight. Suits allowed. Standard Gear. No prep
Battle 2 - H2H only (no weapons or tech)

Vanguard Senior Member

1. Toss up or slight edge to Tchalla
2. Panther

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Why do you say hand to hand panther wins? But suits are close?

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Id probably give the skill edge to Panther in hth. But with the suit, Master has teleportation right?

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Has flight, teleportation, metallic tendrils, holograms, shields, energy blasts, etc

I don't see panther being more skilled in hand to hand. Hard pressed for him to match masters feat in that regard. Have any evidence to support that?

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Originally posted by -K-M-
Have any evidence to support that?

Taking down Cap (arguably the most skilled in any universe) in just a few moves.

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Originally posted by -K-M-
Has flight, teleportation, metallic tendrils, holograms, shields, energy blasts, etc
I don't see panther being more skilled in hand to hand. Hard pressed for him to match masters feat in that regard. Have any evidence to support that?

Isn't he an Alpha Flight villain?

I know nothing about him (Or much about Alpha flight), and my instinct is to vote against anything Canadian, but..

Who's he beaten in h2h? Are we talking Captain America level? Mandarin level? Master level above other martial artists (Think Stick or Iron Fist)

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Originally posted by Vanguard
Taking down Cap (arguably the most skilled in any universe) in just a few moves.

Master has one shoot namor, broke Sasquatch arm with one move, seperate instance did this...

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Originally posted by cdtm
Isn't he an Alpha Flight villain?
I know nothing about him (Or much about Alpha flight), and my instinct is to vote against anything Canadian, but..
Who's he beaten in h2h? Are we talking Captain America level? Mandarin level? Master level above other martial artists (Think Stick or Iron Fist)

He's beaten Sasquatch (x2), wild child, namor, puck, aurora, his clone stalemated iron fist a few times

http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=2588.0

Also was toying with carol im hand to hand until she blew out the floor with energy blasts

Here he defeats Wildheart, Sinew and Sasquatch in H2H. Wildheart few issues earlier actually stalemated Wolverine in a fight.

Vanguard Senior Member

He's impressive. I knew he was good.

riv6672 Senior Member

Master in both. The suits make it closer by a smidge.

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Originally posted by -K-M-
He's beaten Sasquatch (x2), wild child, namor, puck, aurora, his clone stalemated iron fist a few times
http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=2588.0
Also was toying with carol im hand to hand until she blew out the floor with energy blasts
Here he defeats Wildheart, Sinew and Sasquatch in H2H. Wildheart few issues earlier actually stalemated Wolverine in a fight.

Oooh, I remember him!

He was the main villain in Ostranders run. As I recall, Luke Cage ended up defeating him.

Looks pretty impressive, but I wouldn't say > T'challa at his best. A good challenge, certainly.

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Hmmm? You talking about heroes for hire? Master showed his superiority over cage twice in that series. The last fight they had master blaster him away and while he focused on something else (working on the control panel to release the virus), cage snuck up on him and stabbed him in the back with electrical cables that actually nearly killed himself doing it. Hardly call it a "victory" for cage

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Luke Cage
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Heroes for Hire #3 (Vol.2):
Very brief battle, here the Master puts Cage in place using his forcefield

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/HeroesForHire03p09.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/HeroesForHire03p10.jpg
3. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/HeroesForHire03p11.jpg
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Heroes for Hire #12 (Vol.2):
After almost succeeding in his plans, Luke Cage finally betrays the Master and attacks him from behind. Once again Cage canâ€™t do anything because of his force field so he uses some power cables to shock the Master, but doing so shocks himself eventually ending the fight. Just to show how tough the Master is, Cage would have died if Iron Fist didnâ€™t give him energy while the Master didnâ€™t have anything but he survived.

riv6672 Senior Member

^^^Nice.
Good argument back up.

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Agreed, forgot many of those details.

Trusting Cage like he did still made him look none too bright, but he was unquestionably a baddass (Kind of like Danny actually..)

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Originally posted by cdtm
Agreed, forgot many of those details.
Trusting Cage like he did still made him look none too bright, but he was unquestionably a baddass (Kind of like Danny actually..)

Hmmmm? Cage was working closely with the master right from the start of the series until then. Cage even turned on the Heroes for Hire (including Danny) and treated the Master as a friend. They also have a history as the master was close with Luke Cage's dad (James Leonard Lucas) and is the reason why he want to Cage to become his ally.

So he was very trusting due to their history and Cage literally doing everything he said right up until that moment. Hence, why he felt so betrayed.

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DTA. Perfect example.

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Originally posted by -K-M-
Hmmmm? Cage was working closely with the master right from the start of the series until then. Cage even turned on the Heroes for Hire (including Danny) and treated the Master as a friend. They also have a history as the master was close with Luke Cage's dad (James Leonard Lucas) and is the reason why he want to Cage to become his ally.
So he was very trusting due to their history and Cage literally doing everything he said right up until that moment. Hence, why he felt so betrayed.

But it was pretty obvious Cage was setting him up from the start.

Joining a villain, and turning on Danny for real? Not likely.

Master also must have known next to nothing about Cage himself, or he'd know he's been heroing for hire and simply heroing quite a bit at that point. People like Shulk don't date you if you're a potential villain..

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Originally posted by cdtm
But it was pretty obvious Cage was setting him up from the start.
Joining a villain, and turning on Danny for real? Not likely.
Master also must have known next to nothing about Cage himself, or he'd know he's been heroing for hire and simply heroing quite a bit at that point. People like Shulk don't date you if you're a potential villain..

As noted by him. He wasn't setting him up from the start. He agreed with masters mindset and furthered his plans to the point master almost succeeded. If he truely was trying to sabotage he could have stopped the master from kidnapping the doctor to make the virus. Or stopped his plans long long before he was close to winning. However, it was cage that made the plan succeed and turned on the heroes for hire. He was feeding master intel behind everyone's back the entire series and helped with kidnappings

As the master said he wasn't a villain and was doing what he was doing to SAVE the planet and mankind. As over population has put us closer to extinction...which cage agreed

Did you read the series? As master actually researched cage and had prior history with his family. He knew him intently. When I get off work I'll post scans of their interactions. As both the master and cage refered to as each other as friends. Master wasn't going to kill the population (as he said that would cause all kinds of issues) he wanted to stop a certain population from reproducing

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Yeah, I read it. I just thought Cage was stringing him along, giving him rope and seeing how far he'd take it. No villain says they're a villain. 😛

And wasn't The Master fighting against Alpha Flight well before Heroes for Hire? Thus establishing his "villain" card?