Gladiator enters DOS

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's the first injury he is able to inflict by targeting the knee spike. That's what he means when he says "hurt". Superman's final blow is a double handed axe blow, which is portrayed in comics as the hardest blow you can land on an opponent and is portrayed as a desperation blow.

I recall Hal Jordan using it pre-crisis to take out a yellow colored humanoid tiger that he is previously helpless against, breaking his hands in the process.

The proof is in the image. If a character flies backward from a punch with a grimace on his face, the punch hurts. May not be severely hurt, but hurt none the less and such punches accumulate. So continue to cry.

You're just making shit up at this point.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I think you meant to post this one:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149746/3381457-beats+hercules+3.jpg

And yes, as one can see, the blow is overwhelmingly portrayed as a highly effective and often devastating blow. Good example. One can argue that the utilization of that specific blow makes the difference in the battle with Doomsday among other things.

Yep. I just figured something out about that showing as well. Will mention it in another thread.

😂

Somehow it again turned into Hulk discussion.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He always sounds like it too.

He has the exact expression below with no grunt nor cry out.

Take note that the narration compares BOTH combatants to "weary boxers" who have "gone the distance". That carries more weight that Superman's perception that DD is growing stronger (a common perception when fighting someone).

Also note the double handed axe blow, which is an extreme maneuver in the comic book and anime world.

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Superman weared him out in a few punches after not able to hurt him for hours.

But if you use recent portrayal, he flat out killed him with one punch.

The horrors!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Is that one punch to you? We don't exclude the original.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's the first injury he is able to inflict by targeting the knee spike. That's what he means when he says "hurt". Superman's final blow is a double handed axe blow, which is portrayed in comics as the hardest blow you can land on an opponent and is portrayed as a desperation blow.

I recall Hal Jordan using it pre-crisis to take out a yellow colored humanoid tiger that he is previously helpless against, breaking his hands in the process.

The proof is in the image. If a character flies backward from a punch with a grimace on his face, the punch hurts. May not be severely hurt, but hurt none the less and such punches accumulate. So continue to cry.

none of your scans prove...anything tbh. in a couple the person stays down, in a couple the person (hulk for instance) makes a sound that clearly demonstrates pain. more importantly none of them have a character admitting, on panel, that he has finally hurt the other character. i guess you can try and force your common meaning of pain onto doomsday if you feel you have to, but i don't see why it matters at all. given what he is, it's not hard to believe he doesn't feel pain in the way other characters do and not all the scans of other characters can change that i'm afraid. superman thinks that's the first time he hurt him. does that mean cause him pain, or something more significant? who knows, or cares really. but your forced definition and interpretation based on the way other characters react isn't proof of anything.

That's a Rebirth flashback. We are talking about DOS, which is the original story as it happens. Plus, the flashback doesn't show the entire story from beginning to end.

Originally posted by leonidas
none of your scans prove...anything tbh. in a couple the person stays down, in a couple the person (hulk for instance) makes a sound that clearly demonstrates pain. more importantly none of them have a character admitting, on panel, that he has finally hurt the other character. i guess you can try and force your common meaning of pain onto doomsday if you feel you have to, but i don't see why it matters at all. given what he is, it's not hard to believe he doesn't feel pain in the way other characters do and not all the scans of other characters can change that i'm afraid. superman thinks that's the first time he hurt him. does that mean cause him pain, or something more significant? who knows, or cares really. but your forced definition and interpretation based on the way other characters react isn't proof of anything.

It is reasonable to say that when a character is punched and flies backward with a grimace, the default conclusion is that the punch hurts him. Henceforth, the onus is on you to prove that the character feels no pain from the punch.

It's kind of like a random character being shot and lying down on the ground bleeding with his eyes close whereas we never see the character after that. The presumption is that he/she is dead. Anyone who feels that he/she is alive would have to prove so. I wouldn't have to prove that he/she is dead.

So prove that Doomsday feels no pain from the punch. The onus is on you.

Superman and DD beat each other to death. In order to do that, you have to have been taking damage. Common sense.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's a Rebirth flashback. We are talking about DOS, which is the original story as it happens. Plus, the flashback doesn't show the entire story from beginning to end.

It says exactly what the original said, Doomsday was not hurt and only getting stronger.

Originally posted by JBL
Superman and DD beat each other to death. In order to do that, you have to have been taking damage. Common sense.

Originally posted by carver9
Is that one punch to you? We don't exclude the original.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you saying Rebirth showd a different fight?

It says exactly what the original said, Doomsday was not hurt and only getting stronger.
Yes, but not in entire fight for Doomsday.

I don't see anywhere where is says that he "was not hurt".

Originally posted by JBL
Superman and DD beat each other to death. In order to do that, you have to have been taking damage. Common sense.

One would think.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I don't see anywhere where is says that he "was not hurt".

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's a Rebirth flashback. We are talking about DOS, which is the original story as it happens.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you saying Rebirth showd a different fight?

It says exactly what the original said, Doomsday was not hurt and only getting stronger.
Yes, but not in entire fight for Doomsday.

And we know DD was getting faster as well:

But apparently he was drastically injured/damaged at the time... In lieu of the fact that he was continuously getting stronger/faster as the battle progressed, and showed absolutely NO signs of taking ANY noteworthy damage at all, *until* Superman cut-loose.

Gee whiz!!! dur

I agree with Abhi.

Doomsday's thing is tanking everything below a certain threshhold, dieing horribly against anything that breaks that threshhold, then raising that threshhold for the next fight.

He's usually either immune to damage, or vulnerable to it, no in between "wearing him down" point. You don't wear Doomsday down. You kill him, or you don't.

Superman was doing jack squat, up until he took the limiters off and went for broke. I wouldn't call it "one punch", but I do believe only the last few pages of their fight mattered.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
It is reasonable to say that when a character is punched and flies backward with a grimace, the default conclusion is that the punch hurts him. Henceforth, the onus is on you to prove that the character feels no pain from the punch.

It's kind of like a random character being shot and lying down on the ground bleeding with his eyes close whereas we never see the character after that. The presumption is that he/she is dead. Anyone who feels that he/she is alive would have to prove so. I wouldn't have to prove that he/she is dead.

So prove that Doomsday feels no pain from the punch. The onus is on you.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/82ed4e373347d0155e007dc70d3bf997/tumblr_nbnfwkkBuO1tod2zao4_1280.jpg

"finally managed to hurt him!"

"hurt" is synonymous with "pain".

btw, i just went ahead and proved a negative for you. so now go ahead and prove your own stance by showing definitive proof that dd feels pain before that. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
It's the same battle, lol.

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And we know DD was getting faster as well:

But apparently he was drastically injured/damaged at the time... In lieu of the fact that he was continuously getting stronger/faster as the battle progressed, and showed absolutely NO signs of taking ANY noteworthy damage at all, *until* Superman cut-loose.

Gee whiz!!! dur

The OP specifically asks:

"Could Gladiator survive the DOS arc?"

And specifies:

"Same Arc just replace Superman with Gladiator."

With those specifications, we deal with the entire original arc, not flashbacks to specific scenes.

And while your scan makes reference to his speed, it does not say that he is getting faster.