Originally posted by TheHulkster
Don't worry about Abhi and Sophía's cheerleading for each other. Gladiator KOs a Skyfather:
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey I'm not the one who wrote the forum rules in regards to things like PIS and SvFL. I know you like to say that this isn't CBR and that's true... but it's also not Herochat.
PIS and SVFL? What is this, 2008?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Just because he didn't feel pain till Supes broke his bone protrusion doesn't mean that there wasn't a damage accumulation leading up to his finally being put down. DD's physiology is radically different than that of other organisms, for all we know his bone protrusions are the only places where he has functioning pain receptors.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No it's KMC 😄
Originally posted by darthgoober
He meant hurt as in feeling pain. This was indicated by DD screaming when he broke the protrustion.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Those are no more relevant terms these days.
Of course they are, PIS is still specifically mentioned in the rules in fact. I know that you'd prefer the mods did away with the term, but such is not the case.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, hurt means being able to actually hurt Doomsday. Prior to that Superman was hurting his own hand trying to punch Doomsday.
Originally posted by darthgooberIf you believe that being thrown around is proof of how much an attack affects Doomsday, then Superman not moving Doomsday even close to the level Maxima did proves Maxima > Superman. You can keep dodging that until you're blue, but let's not pretend that you have an argument. And I haven't even gotten into the literally hundreds of other examples of characters not being thrown tens of feet by other characters punching them, while others have done so, to the same character. This logic can show Aquaman > Darkseid, which is insane.
See, I disagree. I believe that his being totally unaffected by while there was some effect from by Maxima's punchs DOES support the notion that he's more resistant to energy.
You keep going back to 'but teh forum!!', when that's not an argument. We treated it on case by case basis - and we know you have no case against Doomsday, other than inconsistent illogical positions.
Originally posted by Philosophía
If you believe that being thrown around is proof of how much an attack affects Doomsday, then Superman not moving Doomsday even close to the level Maxima did proves Maxima > Superman. You can keep dodging that until you're blue, but let's not pretend that you have an argument. And I haven't even gotten into the literally hundreds of other examples of characters not being thrown tens of feet by other characters punching them, while others have done so, to the same character. This logic can show Aquaman > Darkseid, which is insane.You keep going back to 'but teh forum!!', when that's not an argument. We treated it on case by case basis - and we know you have no case against Doomsday, other than inconsistent illogical positions.
Anyway, it's irrelevant. You can say that "we" treat it on a case by case basis but as Sin confirmened, it's just the general forum concensus. You're free to disagree of course, but don't blame me just because I base my assessments on the standards held by the majority of the forum.
Mohawk duo took punishment from the Destroyer.
The Shi'ar gods took a beating from Thor, The Destroyer, Cul, Hogun, Sif, Fandral, Hildegarde, The Thunderguard, fodder Asgardians, etc..
The father and son's beat down took place much earlier than the Shi'ar gods.
The Shi'ar gods were still depicted bloodied and bruised when father and son cheap shotted them.
Not at all comparable.
Originally posted by darthgooberDoomsday got so powerful throughout the fight, that he advanced from being moved by Maxima to not even budging from Superman? It also shows, according to your own hilarious position, that Superman's output at the end went from not being able to move Doomsday with his punches, to killing him. Quite the dynamic power! I'll remember that - you better do, too, for later references. 🙂
DD was getting stronger as the fight went on though, so Supes not moving him more doesn't mean that he was hitting with less force then Max.
Let's get back do dismantling your position. If sending people flying to your punches is a testament to greater output than when people aren't sent flying, you do realize that there are hundreds of examples in comics of Hulk punching people, or Superman punching people, or Thor punching people and not sending them flying? I can show Aquaman sending Superman flying, and Darkseid not, is Aquaman stronger than Darkseid? Hercules has punched Ares across the country, and I can show Thor's punches not doing it. Does that make Hercules much stronger than Thor? etc.
Just because Maxima moved Doomsday [a non-flying 700 lbs brick], it doesn't mean he is more resistant to energy, which didn't move him - if we apply that standard, then we get to the conclusions above [and trust me, I will stomp the shit out of you with dozens of examples]. How can you not see how stupid your logic is?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Anyway, it's irrelevant. You can say that "we" treat it on a case by case basis but as Sin confirmened, it's just the general forum concensus. You're free to disagree of course, but don't blame me just because I base my assessments on the standards held by the majority of the forum.
Have you heard of debate fallacies? Today, I'll help you understand how to debate, goober.
Let's start with Argumentum ad populum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
Here's what we're going to do:
I challenge you to a battlezone, to prove that Doomsday can take energy attacks better than blunt force attacks.
Take it?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Doomsday got so powerful throughout the fight, that he advanced from being moved by Maxima to not even budging from Superman? It also shows, according to your own hilarious position, that Superman's output at the end went from not being able to move Doomsday with his punches, to killing him. Quite the dynamic power! I'll remember that - you better do, too, for later references. 🙂Let's get back do dismantling your position. If sending people flying to your punches is a testament to greater output than when people aren't sent flying, you do realize that there are hundreds of examples in comics of Hulk punching people, or Superman punching people, or Thor punching people and not sending them flying? I can show Aquaman sending Superman flying, and Darkseid not, is Aquaman stronger than Darkseid? Hercules has punched Ares across the country, and I can show Thor's punches not doing it. Does that make Hercules much stronger than Thor? etc.
Just because Maxima moved Doomsday [a non-flying 700 lbs brick], it doesn't mean he is more resistant to energy, which didn't move him - if we apply that standard, then we get to the conclusions above [and trust me, I will stomp the shit out of you with dozens of examples]. How can you not see how stupid your logic is?
Did you just use Sin to show an imaginary consensus regarding Doomsday having different durability to energy and blunt force, because you can't back up your own position?
Have you heard of debate fallacies? Today, I'll help you understand how to debate, goober.
Let's start with Argumentum ad populum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populumHere's what we're going to do:
I challenge you to a battlezone, to prove that Doomsday can take energy attacks better than blunt force attacks.
Take it?
One more thing though, see the entire premise of MOST debates on this forum is highly subjective and open to interpretation. Now while argumentum ad populum is seriously erroneous when you're talking about something that exist within the real world as a matter of hard fact/science, it's actually very valid when discussing something that's actually based SOLELY upon interpretation. The difference in damage and thus, required durability is something that most here in the vs forum recognize and acknowledge and that's the standard that those here who do recognize when debating the topic. I'm not arguing that the standard is necessarily right or wrong, I'm simply recognizing it as being the standard in play and tailoring my debates accordingly. Now if you want to go on a quest to prove that your own personal interpretation/opinion on the subjective topic of comics is "right" and all those other people are "wrong" then feel free to do so. Go right ahead and start a thread in the forum asking "Should durability against energy attacks equate to durability to blunt force damage" thread and debate all the people who step in and say "no" until they change their minds.
You know, there might already be a thread like that in existence here in the vs forum and if so you don't even have to make your own, just bump the old one. You'll be able to go right in addressing the arguments people made previously and hit the ground running so to speak. You'll find it easier to build enough momentum to actually sway people if you counter the most popular arguments right out of the gate like that.
