Originally posted by abhilegend
😂But that's simply making the most idiotic assumption. Heimdall didn't just become class 500 or Juggernaut. He was still class 60 character who lost to Gladiator in a non speed used fight.
Gladiator has shit striking power is more like it.
Originally posted by Philosophía
You brought up speed because you thought it showed anything, and it backfired awfully.What some members of the forum think about some characters has no relevance to Doomsday. You shouldn't have brought up Doomsday's split durability, if you couldn't prove it. You shouldn't have brought up Gladiator's speed advantage, when you couldn't prove it, and then you moved on to travel speed. You shouldn't have brought up Gladiator's travel speed bullrushing when you couldn't prove he can achieve top speed in 0.5 km, when you couldn't show a single example where this was effective, and when the example where he used it [Heimdall] is exactly the opposite of what you're arguing, to the point that you're so backed into a corner, you're almost trying to debate that Heimdall is more durable than Doomsday, but then running away and saying one feat doesn't prove anything.
This is awful.
Originally posted by Philosophía
A showing that completely disapprove your stance, when you have NO other argument showing the opposite, is 'not worth considering'?Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by darthgooberI don't really care about the other posters, though.
Dude, I wasn't pointing it out as a deciding factor to the forum as a whole. I specified as much early on. You seem to be arguing just to be arguing at this point because you wanting asking for proof of a standard that's regarded as being the "norm" on KMC. People say it all the time in regards to many characters such as Thanos and Surfer. Feel free to disagree with the standard or refuse to acknowledge it as the standards if you want, but an in depth debate on the matter is way more than I'm willing to invest on something so trivial.
I mean, I can see it being general knowledge that somebody like Wonder Woman [and some time ago, Thor] have split durability, but you can't apply that universally.
Anyway, I see you're not interested in going in depth, so ok.
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Back to the original question,
The answer is no.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It's a showing that's not supported by any other showing in his history, simple as that. But if you want to take it as gospel to mean that Heimdell can take hits of that level... well that's your choice I suppose lol
It shows Gladiator, using the tactic you brought up in this thread, can't even KO Heimdall, when he has galaxies worth of distance to build up momentum [compared to the 0.5km in the forum], and a much less durable opponent [Doomsday is, obviously for anybody, >>>> Heimdall]
Originally posted by Philosophía
I don't really care about the other posters, though.I mean, I can see it being general knowledge that somebody like Wonder Woman [and some time ago, Thor] have split durability, but you can't apply that universally.
Anyway, I see you're not interested in going in depth, so ok.
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Back to the original question,
The answer is no.
It shows Gladiator, using the tactic you brought up in this thread, can't even KO Heimdall, when he has galaxies worth of distance to build up momentum [compared to the 0.5km in the forum], and a much less durable opponent [Doomsday is, obviously for anybody, >>>> Heimdall]
Now in regards to our discussion about speed, I knew at the outset that you weren't one of the ones who get crazy about speed. You've demonstrated as much by pointing out that super speed punches from characters with super speed don't seem to carry the same amount of "oomph" as single, non super speed punches.
And in regards to both of these topics, it's nearly impossible to address EVERYONE on the other side of the argument because opinions vary so much in a variety of ways amongst posters so you'll probably save yourself a bit of a headache if you stop assuming that I'm calling you out when I'm pointing out the faulty arguments of those who take things to an extreme. I mean we disagree on a lot of stuff... probably even MOST stuff... but there aren't a lot of times when I lump you in with the ones I normally take enough of an issue with to actually say something about. You're far closer to the likes of Juntai than you are abhi or H1 IMO.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Depends, Glads bullrushing at top speed would make for one hell of an hit after all. As I said before, I suppose it depends on how much of a factor one considers speed to be in forum fights.
You'd think, but after he did it to Heimdalll recently he got up and gave Gladiator a fight.
Oops, don't know if you did an edit or if I overlooked it Phil but I just caught that final part about Hemdall/Glads and I got to say I disagree. Glad's previous feats exist independently of his showing against Heimdall. If the showing is legit it means that Heimdall can take that kind of shot and has uber durability, it doesn't take away from what Gladz has shown himself capable of.
Personally I don't put much stock in it because it seems to fall well within the classic definition of SvFL.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This is how it goes.Glads takes this punch and his head flies off to orbit.
If somehow he survives this punch his confidence wanes with the following kick faster than JBL's legs looking at an Alpha male swinging his dick wearing a Superman t shirt in front of him and end of the fight
You're so edgy Salsa.
Originally posted by Damborgson
You'd think, but after he did it to Heimdalll recently he got up and gave Gladiator a fight.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Which is a craz feat for Heimdall to be sure, but as I said it doesn't take away from what Glads has shown himself capable of or what the maginitude of such a shot should logically be. We have rules against one off showings of this caliber for a reason after all.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And I'm not saying you should care about other posters, I was simply pointing out the forum standard. And while I still don't want to go into a huge in depth discussion about it, I'd like to point out that despite walking through that barrage of energy, Maxima was able to knock DD around physically so the same type of evidence does exist for DD that exists for other characters in regards to a difference in bluntforce and blasting ability. Now if you don't believe that's enough to suggest such a thing that's fine, I'm just pointing out that there is SOMETHING along those lines.Now in regards to our discussion about speed, I knew at the outset that you weren't one of the ones who get crazy about speed. You've demonstrated as much by pointing out that super speed punches from characters with super speed don't seem to carry the same amount of "oomph" as single, non super speed punches.
And in regards to both of these topics, it's nearly impossible to address EVERYONE on the other side of the argument because opinions vary so much in a variety of ways amongst posters so you'll probably save yourself a bit of a headache if you stop assuming that I'm calling you out when I'm pointing out the faulty arguments of those who take things to an extreme. I mean we disagree on a lot of stuff... probably even MOST stuff... but there aren't a lot of times when I lump you in with the ones I normally take enough of an issue with to actually say something about. You're far closer to the likes of Juntai than you are abhi or H1 IMO.
Just because he was thrown around by Maxima's attacks, doesn't mean they had any actual effect on him. Because they didn't, and the arc makes it very clear that. Potency of an attack is not solely based on how hard one character gets thrown, or how much environment gets destroyed. High-powered characters hit themselves all the time, and they don't always fly across town, or stand in one place - it's an artistic license. He's not a flier - he can be thrown [Superman actually did that throughout the arc] and he can be moved. But he can't be hurt. What, just because the energy attacks didn't move him, and Maxima did, it means there's different durabilities? You don't want to go down that rabbit hole. We both know you have no argument there, so don't try to slide in one.
Just because flurry of superspeed punches in comics are shown as being more ineffective than a single one, generally, doesn't mean that speed doesn't matter on the forum. That's a..quite a leap.
Also, I like abhi, and putting him in H1's basket is a b*tch-move. He has his arguments on him all of the time, and it's up for everybody to judge them, but he's more knowledgeable and evidence-based than 95% of the forum.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Just because he was thrown around by Maxima's attacks, doesn't mean they had any actual effect on him. Because they didn't, and the arc makes it very clear that. Potency of an attack is not solely based on how hard one character gets thrown, or how much environment gets destroyed. High-powered characters hit themselves all the time, and they don't always fly across town, or stand in one place - it's an artistic license. He's not a flier - he can be thrown [Superman actually did that throughout the arc] and he can be moved. But he can't be hurt. What, just because the energy attacks didn't move him, and Maxima did, it means there's different durabilities? You don't want to go down that rabbit hole. We both know you have no argument there, so don't try to slide in one.Just because flurry of superspeed punches in comics are shown as being more ineffective than a single one, generally, doesn't mean that speed doesn't matter on the forum. That's a..quite a leap.
Also, I like abhi, and putting him in H1's basket is a b*tch-move. He has his arguments on him all of the time, and it's up for everybody to judge them, but he's more knowledgeable and evidence-based than 95% of the forum.
I never said that speed doesn't matter, I said that you don't take it to the extreme. It was a compliment to you, not a shot against speed.
Well there's no accounting for taste. You're free to think he's better than H1 just as I'm free to think he's on H1 level. I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise anymore than I'd try to convince you that my least favorite food tastes worse than your favorite food. If you prefer abhi then that's all good.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It is in the context in which it was originally brought up.
And what context would that be?
Sure abhi, sure. You keep right on saying that and hoping that eventually folks will forget how you flopped in our BZ.
Oh you and your alternate facts. Don't worry Goober, you and your cheerleaders can rest easy knowing you only begged for victory.