Gladiator enters DOS

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ah cool. Although when he bullrushed Thor he just slammed into him with his shoulder, so the damage dealt was limited to his momentum rather than momentum+plus strength. Although I suppose I haven't actually been clear about the fact that I've been talking about him flying in and/while taking a swing which isn't actually a bullrush in the strictest sense of the word. So that's my bad if that's been unclear to anyone.

Yeah, but still, we all have seen how fast Glads is.

And he is specifically going for the kill.

Moreover, its a sucker punch, which I've been told means one's durability is lowered 10000% or whatever.

The main point is, it did literally nothing apart from move Thor a few feet.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, but still, we all have seen how fast Glads is.

And he is specifically going for the kill.

Moreover, its a sucker punch, which I've been told means one's durability is lowered 10000% or whatever.

The main point is, it did literally nothing apart from move Thor a few feet.

The funny thing is that I don't actually agree with the line of reasoning I'm talking about. I'm not one that pushes speed as on of the most important factors in forum fights... I just threw it out there to point out the double standards many people espouse on the matter lol

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, we have a good idea of how strong Glads is and how fast he was going. Either Heimdell is capable of taking a shot like that or he's not. Heimdell's durability doesn't take away from Glad's power.

So you still don't have any showings from Gladiator? Because he has failed to do any damage to Thor, Hulk, Nova, Heimdall and many others.

Try posting one feat from him that can show he can even hurt Doomsday.

I'm saying that Supes is smart and knows how to speak the language. See people want to suggest that Supes's statement right there means that there was no damage built up to that point, but that's a fallacious thinking because the word hurt doesn't just mean to cause physical damage.

That's not what he said. Even in the previous issue of the arc (MOS 19) he was not sure he can even dent Doomsday's skin. Before that he was hurting his own fist trying to punch Doomsday.

Can you show us where all that damage took place? Because this is just trying to spin something which is just not there.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure, his destroying a planet with 3 punches even without the added momentum provided by flying as fast as he did against Heimdell.

Not that it means much, his bullrushing didn't do anything there either.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you still don't have any showings from Gladiator? Because he has failed to do any damage to Thor, Hulk, Nova, Heimdall and many others.

Try posting one feat from him that can show he can even hurt Doomsday.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not what he said. Even in the previous issue of the arc (MOS 19) he was not sure he can even dent Doomsday's skin. Before that he was hurting his own fist trying to punch Doomsday.

Can you show us where all that damage took place? Because this is just trying to spin something which is just not there.

http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/dos_supes5.jpg.html

Originally posted by darthgoober
You just posted the feat... him destroying the planet lol. And I'm pretty sure that Kid Gladiator somewhat recently confirmed seeing him do it so it still seems to be within his abilities.

That's just one showing and should be discarded as PIS or SVFL. You taught us that.

Kid Gladiator said he can destroy moons. Not planets.

He never actually visibly damaged DD's hide. DD doesn't bleed and regenerates on top of that.

So where did all that damage took place if he can't even put a dent in his skin a few pages before the final fight in Metropolis?

Originally posted by darthgoober
You just posted the feat... him destroying the planet lol. And I'm pretty sure that Kid Gladiator somewhat recently confirmed seeing him do it so it still seems to be within his abilities.

He never actually visibly damaged DD's hide. DD doesn't bleed and regenerates on top of that. But as you can clearly see he does in fact damage some of his bones right here in the previous issue...

http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/dos_supes5.jpg.html

https://m.imgur.com/StoDp3l?r

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's just one showing and should be discarded as PIS or SVFL. You taught us that.

Kid Gladiator said he can destroy moons. Not planets.

Pretty sure his ability to bust planets has been referenced(though maybe not by Kid Glads)... but even still, moon busting punches at that speed should be more than Heimdell can take too. But if on the off chance Heimdell can take those kinds of punches, again it doesn't take away from the damage Glads can dish out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So where did all that damage took place if he can't even put a dent in his skin a few pages before the final fight in Metropolis?

You must have posted before my edit, I posted a scan.

👆 moons, not planets.

Thanks, Carver.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Pretty sure his ability to bust planets has been referenced(though maybe not by Kid Glads)... but even still, moon busting punches at that speed should be more than Heimdell can take too. But if on the off chance Heimdell can take those kinds of punches, again it doesn't take away from the damage Glads can dish out.

No, it isn't. And even there his bullrushing didn't do anything to the planet.

Space cheese is irrelevant anyway. Show me him doing anything to well any character with a bullrushing.

You must have posted before my edit, I posted a scan.

That was just after he said he can't damage Doomsday's skin. And he later said he was finally able to damage him in Superman 75.

So in all his fight all he did was damage his chin slightly? That's not accumulating damage on Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
https://m.imgur.com/StoDp3l?r

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it isn't. And even there his bullrushing didn't do anything to the planet.

Space cheese is irrelevant anyway. Show me him doing anything to well any character with a bullrushing.

Hey if you think Heidell's able to take moon busting punches at FTL speeds then that's up to you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was just after he said he can't damage Doomsday's skin. And he later said he was finally able to damage him in Superman 75.

So in all his fight all he did was damage his chin slightly? That's not accumulating damage on Doomsday.

He didn't say damage, he said hurt and meant causing real, noticable pain. As I've just shown he did some damage to his bones previously, thus it doesn't make sense for him to mean do damage. He was obviously referencing DD's cry of pain.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey if you think Heidell's able to take moon busting punches at FTL speeds then that's up to you.

And the writer of the scene. I take your concession that you can't produce any evidence to invalidate this showing.

He didn't say damage, he said hurt and meant causing real, noticable pain. As I've just shown he did some damage to his bones previously, thus it doesn't make sense for him to mean do damage. He was obviously referencing DD's cry of pain.

He didn't mean pain, he just said hurt.

Now you are just reaching. Obviously a little damage to Doomsday's chin didn't hurt him or made any lasting damage.

But for accumulated damage, you must've some other scenes in mind, right? Or did Doomsday die by a chipped chin bone?

Face it, Superman just beat him to death in a few hits after hours of not being able to even hurt him.

He's Superman, he does that type of shit. You could replace Doomsday with anyone below skyfather level and they would die in that situation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And the writer of the scene. I take your concession that you can't produce any evidence to invalidate this showing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't mean pain, he just said hurt.

Now you are just reaching. Obviously a little damage to Doomsday's chin didn't hurt him or made any lasting damage.

But for accumulated damage, you must've some other scenes in mind, right? Or did Doomsday die by a chipped chin bone?

Face it, Superman just beat him to death in a few hits after hours of not being able to even hurt him.

He's Superman, he does that type of shit. You could replace Doomsday with anyone below skyfather level and they would die in that situation.

Yeah hurt... as in to cause physical damage OR pain. He'd already caused some physical damage so he was obviously referencing the pain DD showed. Damage accumulating is standard... a thousand fights could probably be posted where damage accumulation wasn't specifically referenced because it's a matter of common sense.

Hulk regenerates and his strength continually increases when fighting, but that doesn't mean that anyone who KOs him is suddenly so much stronger that they're capable of suddenly one shotting him.

I'm not saying that Supes wasn't hitting harder at the end of the fight than he was previously, I'm just saying that the chain of events doesn't indicate an astronomical increase in power or anything like that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah that Miek who was powered up by Chaos King and still lost to Amadeus Cho of all people.

The above issue is after Chaos War. Not powered up.

But it says so in your scan...he had changed.

Whether or not he was powered up by the Chaos King, fact is he is NOT the same as the one that WWH attacked.

So not sure why you posted it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But it says so in your scan...he had changed.

Whether or not he was powered up by the Chaos King, fact is he is NOT the same as the one that WWH attacked.

So not sure why you posted it.

His gender changed. The queens of his species are all dead, making extinction eminent. Nature compensates as has happened in some real life species by altering Miek in order to allow him to lay eggs. That is the specific change he is referencing in that story arc.

Miek morphs into that King form at the end of Planet Hulk. In Miek's explaination in the discussed scan, a flashback from Sakaar of him struggling with the death of the last queen shows him looking exactly like he does in the scan I posted.

What Hulk punches is a Miek with super strength and an exoskeleton of high durability that is attributed to his ability to withstand punches from Hulk. I don't recall him being described as Savage Hulk level, but strong and tough enough to endure.

Superman exhibited greater than Kurse level physical strength to defeat a dynamic anger fueled increasing strength Doomsday to death within literally a few moments. Gladiator isn't anywhere near that powerful.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Individual writers do that kind of thing all the time. Some even say that WW is faster than Supes. But here on the forum, we have rules and standards against that kind of thing.

This was under the same writer who had Kid Gladiator claim Gladiator was capable of destroying moons, Jason Aaron.

Yeah hurt... as in to cause physical damage OR pain.

I'm not saying that Supes wasn't hitting harder at the end of the fight than he was previously, I'm just saying that the chain of events doesn't indicate an astronomical increase in power or anything like that.

Yes, it does indicate astronomical difference in power. He went from not being able to hurt Doomsday to kill him in a few punches.

THAT is astronomical difference in power.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The above issue is after Chaos War. Not powered up.