Ultimates run a team gauntlet!

Ultimates: Blue Marvel, Captain Marvel, Spectrum, Ms. America, Black Panther)

vs

1) Teen Titans: Nigtwing, Raven, Starfire, Cyborg, Beast Boy

2) Fantastic Four & Namor

3) Young Justice: Robin, Superboy, Blue Beetle, Bart Allen

4) X-Force: Wolverine, God Cable, Colossus, Archangel, Fantomex

5) X-Men: Cyclops, Storm, Shaman Nate Grey, Iceman, Magik

6) Avengers: Ironman, Hulk, Vision, Hyperion, Capt America

7) JLA: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, GL Hal

8) Annihilators: Surfer, Gladiator, Nova, Quasar, Ronan

9) Thor Corps: Jane Thor, Odinson, BRB, Thor Girl, Thunder Strike

12 hours rest between rounds.

How far do they get?

I know the order is probably messed up.

Stops at 5 imo.

Stops at 4. No answer to Fantomex.

Edit: May even stop at 1, thanks to Raven.

my thoughts pretty much exactly. raven is a tough call and a tough counter. fantomex f's them up.

Originally posted by leonidas
my thoughts pretty much exactly. raven is a tough call and a tough counter. fantomex f's them up.

I understand your reasoning about Fantomexs hax powers but what's your specific reasoning for Raven. What specifically about her causes them so much trouble?

She can attack their souls, whilst being immune to their attacks.

Panther MAY have some soul attacks of his own or whatever, but Raven is pretty powerful

Fantomex would get blitzed by Monica guys.

Even if he got a misdirect off, Cable TP'ing everyone is their only shot. If he can't down them immediately afterwards, they probably lose.

that is one way it could possibly go. been shown recently that thought>light speed though so if he thinks misdirect first they are in a lot of trouble immediately...

and raven's soulself would be a challenge. no real analogue in marvel.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Fantomex would get blitzed by Monica guys.

Even if he got a misdirect off, Cable TP'ing everyone is their only shot. If he can't down them all in one go, they probably lose.

That's assuming we know how it works.

Monica blitzes Fantomex - only to realise she's accidentally blitzed Panther, that kinda thing.

Then yes, as you say, God Cable is there. Either Cable mindphucks them, or Fantomex blitzes Monica.

Originally posted by leonidas
that is one way it could possibly go. been shown recently that thought>light speed though so if he thinks misdirect first they are in a lot of trouble immediately...

I agree that thought speed is inconsistent in comics though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's assuming we know how it works.

https://postimg.org/image/fkavg8y9n/
https://postimg.org/image/pctwpcmbx/

It's basically a spell he casts by talking. The second one is when Archangel/Dark Beast figured out how to reflect it back at Fantomex, but it still shows Fantomex trying to cast it. Plenty of time for a Monica-sized beat down.

As a side note, it's also not that useful mid-fight since the illusion doesn't really take hold. It's why Psylocke was able to beat him 1v1. And Agent Zero stalemated him. And Deathlok Spiderman could fight him, etc.

Originally posted by StyleTime
It's not thought based.

We do know how it works.

https://postimg.org/image/fkavg8y9n/
https://postimg.org/image/pctwpcmbx/

It's basically a spell he casts by talking. The second one is when Dark Beast figured out how to reflect it back at Fantomex, but it still shows Fantomex trying to cast it. Plenty of time for a Monica-sized beat down.

As an aside, it's also not that useful mid-fight since the illusion doesn't really take hold. It's why Psylocke was able to beat him 1v1. And Agent Zero stalemated him. And Deathlok Spiderman could fight him, etc.

Fantomex is getting mad overrated on these boards. Shame, because I really like the character.

Except for ALL the times it works without talking:

https://i.imgur.com/WFgZJBy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hPRvI6E.jpg
https://s5.postimg.org/u02e2ck5z/1_-_Inerplanetary_Long_Range_Misdirection_1.jpg

Nor would it have needed reality to be bent to break the misdirection:
https://s5.postimg.org/sq9611frr/image.jpg

Here, HE gets misdirected - note the lack of talking:
https://s5.postimg.org/5e2osz7yv/uh0_APRk.jpg

And when it works against everyone else. Jean with the Phoenix Force. Deathseed amped Psylocke. Professor X. Wolverine. Deadpool. Shadow King. Apocalypse's horsemen. etc etc.

Just had to stretch the page, eh? This ain't that serious yo.

Whatever do you mean?

Hm, maybe you misdirected me? lol

Anyway, they don't depict his actual words every time, as it's already been established that's how it works. We simply didn't see when he actually cast it. We're also often getting it from the perspective of the "misdirectee", as it makes the reader confused about the illusion too. That's what made the series awesome.

yeah, i don't think that explanation holds in all cases. it worked, but it doesn't explain many of the showings imo. he even misdircted the celestial SHIP. all that to say it is't even a guarantee she would go at him first. a misdirect that has the ultimates winning quick and easy would have all their guards down and most would be taken out rather easily i think after that. ults have much more raw power though and without a misdirect they lose pretty handily.

Apocalypse's ship didn't require any words. And we were looking from the POV of Wolvy/Fantomex.

https://imgur.com/a/WYRCd#0

And we know it only happened when he woke up.

The ship one is dubious yes, but it meshes with most of the rest. And they were all under the same writer, who established early on that's how it works.

And who knows, maybe the words help enhance what his opponent sees. He still had to "cast" it in that scan. I don't see why a Monica blitz is out of the question. As for her likelihood of targeting him, I don't know. Fantomex has been known to fisticuff people, as well as misdirect seeming wonky when engaged in full combat with someone.

i wonder if misdirection is actually common knowledge tbh. i asked before and the jury seemed likd of split on the issue. /shrug

I personally don't think it's common knowledge. He's meant to be a skilled thief who the X-Men didn't even know existed until relatively recently

Originally posted by leonidas
i wonder if misdirection is actually common knowledge tbh. i asked before and the jury seemed likd of split on the issue. /shrug

Look at the Pyslocke fight(scans). Or his multiple scuffles with the Deathloks. Or when he fought Deadpool. Or Agent Zero. or AoA Iceman.

https://postimg.org/image/vtxd1tnd9/
https://postimg.org/image/qwjsgple5/
https://postimg.org/image/lz67vljf1/
https://postimg.org/image/3jm953yq5/
https://postimg.org/image/n2quegxhp/

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except for ALL the times it works without talking:
Here, HE gets misdirected - note the lack of talking:
https://s5.postimg.org/5e2osz7yv/uh0_APRk.jpg