Originally posted by NemeBroThis. Supes would stomp both Thor and Hulk at the same time. It's unlikely WW is only around their level considering all the people ITT giving her the win.
If she's only around Thor or Hulk level Superman would effortlessly win. 👆
I haven't seen the movie yet either, though I plan to soon. I'll chime in at that point.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Having now seen the movie, lol @ WW beating Supes. Supes would wreck both her and Ares at the same time. People are overselling the chit out of her.
She has better combat speed feats than Superman and far better fighting skill, plus the limits of her strength are not known yet. We do know she can jump as far/high as Faora does. So strength should be similar.
So I don't see how you think Superman will wreck her. Regardless of who wins, this will still be a fight.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wonder Woman having better fighting skill, sure however better combat speed is debatable especially when taking Superman's flight into consideration.
Flying speed or even movement speed obviously goes to Superman. When I say combat speed, Diana has feats of blocking multiple bullets using her arms. Superman has no feats that compare to that. Superman dashes to and fro but doesn't perform complex maneuvers at super speed. That's what I mean by combat speed.
Originally posted by Arachnid1I know, right?
Having now seen the movie, lol @ WW beating Supes. Supes would wreck both her and Ares at the same time. People are overselling the chit out of her.
Originally posted by FrothByteShe is, by similar scenes, slower than Faora. At that point, Faora had just started gaining powers. Superman beat both her and Nam-ek at the same time. Then went on to beat Zod, a soldier who trained all his life and who was even more powerful than Faora, by snapping his neck, while being completely undamaged at the end, even though he took attacks that Diana has never shown herself capable of replicating.
She has better combat speed feats than Superman and far better fighting skill, plus the limits of her strength are not known yet. We do know she can jump as far/high as Faora does. So strength should be similar.So I don't see how you think Superman will wreck her. Regardless of who wins, this will still be a fight.
Wonder Woman doesn't have the strength feats to show she can even damage Superman, never mind beat him in hand to hand. Her only shot is the sword, and that's in round two.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Flying speed or even movement speed obviously goes to Superman. When I say combat speed, Diana has feats of blocking multiple bullets using her arms. Superman has no feats that compare to that. Superman dashes to and fro but doesn't perform complex maneuvers at super speed. That's what I mean by combat speed.
Not so, he caught a bullet at the same proximity. He was never put in a situation in where he needed to block multiple bullets from hitting someone.
Secondly, he doesn't need to block bullets like she does as he is bulletproof. Ares showed no such combat speed in which you are referring to but he had no problem landing hits on her.
Originally posted by Sable
Not so, he caught a bullet at the same proximity. He was never put in a situation in where he needed to block multiple bullets from hitting someone.Secondly, he doesn't need to block bullets like she does as he is bulletproof. Ares showed no such combat speed in which you are referring to but he had no problem landing hits on her.
Correct. He never needed to, thus he never had the feats. When did he catch a bullet at same proximity? Also, Zod was hitting Superman even though none of them were moving at said combat speed.
That is incorrect, he does have the feat of catching a bullet. When did I speak of Zod hitting Superman? But since you bring it up, are you the judge of what combat speed is and what is not? If you are, who made you the judge of such feats and why is bullet blocking/ catching a combat speed feat but actual combat is not?
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For example, according to you, two kryptonians fighting not combat speed, but blocking bullets is? If that is your metric, then you are confused what combat speed actually is.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Flying speed or even movement speed obviously goes to Superman. When I say combat speed, Diana has feats of blocking multiple bullets using her arms. Superman has no feats that compare to that. Superman dashes to and fro but doesn't perform complex maneuvers at super speed. That's what I mean by combat speed.
Does getting up from a sitting position, running forward 12 feet, and attempting a left haymaker count as a complex maneuver?
Because he did all of that in under a second.
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Originally posted by TheGrat1
Does getting up from a sitting position, running forward 12 feet, and attempting a left haymaker count as a complex maneuver?Because he did all of that in under a second.
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Nope, that's still just one big movement. Basically all he did was charge forward and punch. He didn't string together combinations or make different changes in direction, etc.
And yeah, that's not a bullet, which is why I don't recall him catching a bullet. Not saying it's an invalid feat, but surely you don't expect that to compare to WW blocking MULTIPLE bullets coming from different directions?
@ Froth ^What? It wasn't one big movement. It's not like he jumped at her. He took several steps to close the distance between himself and Faora.
Yes, that is a grenade not a bullet. Closest real world weapon clocks the muzzle velocity in at around 170 mph. It is the most similar feat I could find though, and the more important aspect is the ease with which the feat is performed.
Do these these satisfy your "complex maneuver" criteria?:
Blitzes the warlord from 25 feet away and does it in a manner that Lois is unaffected. Has to disengage the warlord's arm from her neck and does it all before the guy can squeeze a trigger.
Accelerating, sharp turns, and stopping on a dime.
I really wonder why people doubt Kal's speed on this forum, it's so obvious.
Originally posted by TheGrat1
@ Froth ^What? It wasn't one big movement. It's not like he jumped at her. He took several steps to close the distance between himself and Faora.Yes, that is a grenade not a bullet. Closest real world weapon clocks the muzzle velocity in at around 170 mph. It is the most similar feat I could find though, and the more important aspect is the ease with which the feat is performed.
Do these these satisfy your "complex maneuver" criteria?:
Blitzes the warlord from 25 feet away and does it in a manner that Lois is unaffected. Has to disengage the warlord's arm from her neck and does it all before the guy can squeeze a trigger.
Accelerating, sharp turns, and stopping on a dime.
I really wonder why people doubt Kal's speed on this forum, it's so obvious.
To add to that, from the official Batman v Superman companion movie tie-in:
From everything shown? Superman with utter ease. WW's only chance is the sword, and even then Supes wins the majority. Get back to me when WW tows an ocean liner across ice by walking and holding the anchor or shifts tectonic plates.
I knew this kind of WW wank would occur though. Her movie is by far the best that DC has done in their current movie universe, and a ton of people conflate a likeable protagonist in a good movie as being the toughest. The whole "the character who entertained me more wins in a fight!" objectivity be damned. I wonder what the excuse will be when the big bad in justice league wrecks the team and Superman shows up to save the day at the end and fights evenly with the big bad.