What did Emil do H2H besides knock away/down Ed Norton and Liv Tyler? Been awhile since I've seen ol' Incredible Hulk?
Even though Emil had some insane foot speed on the SSS, Khan should be able to outfight him and have enough durability and strength to get the job done. Khan gets the dub.
However, if Khan walks up to him and lets Emil unload on him like against Kirk, Emil could take advantage of that lol.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Blonsky dodged all over Hulk. I don't see Khan doing that.
You thinking he can outmaneuver Khan until he gets some good strikes in to take him out? Khan also had some pretty fantastic agility in the Klingon showdown scene, but when he fought H2H throughout the film, it was all tanking blows, big kicks and haymakers, etc.
If Khan grapples Emil, I think Emil is in trouble as well.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
You thinking he can outmaneuver Khan until he gets some good strikes in to take him out? Khan also had some pretty fantastic agility in the Klingon showdown scene, but when he fought H2H throughout the film, it was all tanking blows, big kicks and haymakers, etc.If Khan grapples Emil, I think Emil is in trouble as well.
It depends on how strong you think Blonsky is. He was supposedly given the SS serum given to Cap, and I consider Cap stronger than Khan. So if Blonsky is around Cap's strength then I don't see Khan overpowering him in a grappling match.
These are the closest he displays to agility, and lets say its not even close to fantastic. Just jumping is fantastic?:
https://youtu.be/K6_7phpFb-c?t=125
https://youtu.be/uT8npGLg2g8?t=117
As for this fight, I'd have to give it to Blonsky.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Even though Emil had some insane foot speed on the SSS
Originally posted by John Murdoch
What did Emil do H2H besides knock away/down Ed Norton and Liv Tyler? Been awhile since I've seen ol' Incredible Hulk?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Blonsky dodged all over Hulk. I don't see Khan doing that.
The tipping point for me however is his healing ability, being able to heal back to full capacity in less than 24 hours from having his bones, according to the doctor, ""reduced to gravel"" by the Hulk. With healing power like that, he should have no trouble recovering from ANY damage Khan deals on him. Also on durability, he got blown away by those sonic cannons but was not hurt. Those cannons brought a charging Hulk to full stop and were pushing him back when he was trying to stand his ground. That's impressive considering his weight and speed alone, let alone his strength added to it.
I think Blonsky is significantly stronger and more agile, although Khan's healing speed is nothing to sneeze at either. I don't think healing speed would be a significant factor in the fight, they both have a little bit superhuman there, but a lot of fights only last a minute or so anyway, so the number of hits compared to how much time they would have to bounce back is not going to give a slow healing factor any real benefit. It's not Like Wolverine where bruises and bloody noses heal in a few seconds. It would still take minutes.
Well if his entire skeleton had been "reduced to gravel" and he healed in 24 hours, any damage Khan did do would be healed in seconds, considering a "cleanly" broken bone still takes a month at the least to heal. He reconstituted his entire skeletal structure, as well as tissue damage and organ liquefaction all in 24 hours.
I hate to argue Pro Khan (anyone seen quan lately), but I feel compelled to do so...
Emil may have survived a punch from the Hulk, but Khan withstood something far greater than this...
Khan endured a Space Ship (one that weighed roughly 4.5 million tons) crashing down to the Earth from Space...
In an old thread involving Khan, I actually did the math on the force of the impact that he endured and it was far greater than that of an Atomic Detonation (I used the Hiroshima bomb as a frame of reference)...
And not only did Khan endure that, he didnt have any broken bones, and was combat capable immediately afterwards (immediately after the crash he jumped down 100ft and it didnt bother him one bit)...
Khan is a bad@ss...
Anyway, based on what I have seen from the two characters, I think this is a dead draw...
Neither has the Offensive Output to put the other down long enough for it to count as a win in a forum fight...
IMHO of course...
Originally posted by Silent Master
Plenty of normal humans have survived star ship crashes, so congrats on proving that Khan basically has normal human durability.LOM has convinced me, Emil wins 1,000,000,000,000/10
Did they survive without utilizing any kind of safety device whatsoever?
Khan did...he stayed at the flight controls to ensure that the ship impacted at Star Fleet Headquarters..
Besides, Khan had a previous history of exhibiting Superhuman durability during Into Darkness, so his showing was in all likelihood, not PIS...
How many of those other normal humans exhibited Superhuman durability prior to their Ship crashing from Space?
If they didn't, then I submit to you, that them surviving was PIS...
@Silent Master
As a logical person (perhaps you are not logical?) you should know that humans only very rarely survive plane crashes from great heights, let alone a crash from space (which would carry far, far, more KE with it than any plane crash would)...
Add in the additional mass of the ship Khan was in (Force does equal Mass x Acceleration afterall), and what Khan survived was many times more destructive than anything we've seen Hulk accomplish with his fist...
A. The ship was subject to air resistance/drag the moment it entered the atmosphere, which would affect its impact velocity.
B. The structure of the ship itself would absorb a massive amount of the actual energy of the impact, especially given the kind of forces those ships are made to withstand. Like how a tank can smash through a wall and leave the humans inside it perfectly fine, but a human hitting a wall with comparable force would kill them.
I.E. there are multiple factors that you failed to incorporate into your calculations, which would massively impact the result. And I remember that thread, and the fact that multiple people pointed out issues with your results.
Based on Sulu's comments, it is indeed a feat of superhuman durability. But it is not even remotely proof that he can no-sell nukes. DCEU Superman can't even no-sell nukes. Are you trying to suggest that Khan is more durable than Superman?
Also how this is several hundred years in the future where technology and science/math have advanced to the point where a lot of the stuff we know now is completely wrong or obsolete.
A muuuuuch older model Starfleet ship crashed on Krall's planet and was relatively undamaged as it only took Scotty maybe a few hours to get it spaceworthy.
The ship's systems may work wonders to help people survive crashes like that.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
A. The ship was subject to air resistance/drag the moment it entered the atmosphere, which would affect its impact velocity.B. The structure of the ship itself would absorb a massive amount of the actual energy of the impact, especially given the kind of forces those ships are made to withstand. Like how a tank can smash through a wall and leave the humans inside it perfectly fine, but a human hitting a wall with comparable force would kill them.
I.E. there are multiple factors that you failed to incorporate into your calculations, which would massively impact the result. And I remember that thread, and the fact that multiple people pointed out issues with your results.
Based on Sulu's comments, it is indeed a feat of superhuman durability. But it is not even remotely proof that he can no-sell nukes. DCEU Superman can't even no-sell nukes. Are you trying to suggest that Khan is more durable than Superman?
A) I am fully aware of this, and it is reflected in the previously mentioned post as pertains this topic.
Even utilizing a ridiculously low velocity (which I did to refute those arguing against me), the impact would still beat the Hiroshima detonation by a considerable margin...
Using the average velocity of objects impacting the Earth from space, that ship impacted with several orders of magnitude more force than the Hiroshima detonation generated...
B) Of course the ship would absorb most of the impact, but even if Khan absorbed 1/10th of 1% of the force (humans in car and plane crashes absorb a far greater % of the impact force btw), he still withstood a tremendous amount of KE transferring into his body during the impact...
C) I remember the thread well, and I remember successfully countering every counter argument utilized against me...
D) I'm not saying he can no-sale nukes; Khan was hurt and bleeding from the impact, but was able to quickly recover due to his incredible healing factor...
Khan was able to (ALL in rapid succession):
1) Survive a Space Ship impacting the Earth...
2) Jump 100ft straight down with no apparent ill effects...
3) Get the upper hand against an enraged, blood lusted, Spock...
4) Withstand multiple close range phaser blasts...
Keep in mind that earlier in the movie, Khan withstood a direct impact with Space Debris while traveling through Space at orbital velocity...
And withstood it without any apparent ill effects...
Khan is a bad mutha no matter what you think about him and his feats of durability demonstrate this...