@ LoM
I don't recall anyone buying your explanations, no matter if you personally think you refuted anything.
Fact is it is impossible to get an accurate number for the force he withstood without knowing all the exact variables. Even a single one being off can massively influence the result. So, in terms of Versus matches, it's pretty much un-quantifiable, as your numbers are partially based on assumptions and speculation. As I already pointed out, the angle of impact, the distance it slid, and the friction force of the ground influences the result as well. If you want to use it, then I am sorry, but I want to see a reputable third party with more in depth information come to the same conclusion. Not just your personal numbers.
Again, Superman was turned into a near-skeleton by a nuke detonation, and needed to absorb solar radiation to recover quickly. So, again, are you saying Khan is more durable than Superman? Simple yes or no question.
Also, what is so impressive about beating Spock? An enraged Spock couldn't even KO Kirk with repeated hits. And going from that, Spock managed to break Khan's arm and knock him unconscious. Does that mean Spock now hits with nuke level force, seeing as he had more of an effect on Khan than the ship crash did? And from there, does that mean Kirk can withstand nukes now too, seeing as he took repeated hits from an enraged Spock? Do you see the flaw in assuming the ship crash means he can withstand forces greater than Hiroshima?
Khan is very clearly above human in durability. The film makes that much clear. But he does not have durability greater than the likes of Superman, Thor, Hulk etc. If you believe he does, then don't expect anyone here to take you seriously in your arguments for him.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The ship didn't fall on Khan's head, right?
Nope. He was inside it as it crashed at an angle, skidding what looked to be a couple of miles before coming to a halt. The ship was almost at a level trajectory when it impacted. Which, again, massively aids in negating the impact force. From about 0:40 onward:
An impressive feat and, based on Sulu's comments, showcases superhuman durability, but it's getting blown out of proportion here. The nuke thing basically implies that he has greater durability than some of the heaviest hitters in the MCU and DCEU.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I don't remember Khan having any "fantastic agility" feats, can someone post them?
Point 1:
I figured the jumping around with the minigun laser-thingy slung over his shoulder, shooting said laser with great accuracy, shooting another laser assault rifle with excellent accuracy in the other hand, whilst sweep kicking melee attackers and such was pretty good. Granted, not as good as dodging MCU Hulk with flips and pushing off sheets of metal embedded into the ground while supine, but impressive nonetheless.
Point 2:
"Fantastic agility" < uncanny agility. The actual gauge for determining what quantities of agility qualify for each description TBD.
Point 3:
Glad I gave first response to get the thread going, because it's always a pleasure to see the "Khan survives starship crash" feat being equated with something like tanking a nuke. My job here is done.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Most people consider combat agility to be things like you see Spider-man or Nightwing doing. I didn't realize you were using your own definition, so fair enough.
Just kidding around in "Point 2". I did think that scene showed some pretty solid combat agility for reals. Obviously not a Nightwing or Spider-Man or even an Emil, however.
My debate is could Khan's strength and durability counter Emil's speed and agility. But, since Emil has a version of the SSS in his veins, he should have plenty of enhanced strength, plus I forgot about Hulk turning him into a ragdoll with a kick into a tree.
Thus, I can certainly see Emil winning.