Originally posted by Stoic
...sit in your corner and continue believing that you can get something from absolutely nothing, and thinking that a cat came from a rock. You know how idiotic that sounds?
You said it, so yeah, it's idiotic. Literally no one has ever believed anything like that. It's a goofy strawman that Creationist like to create.
It is Creationists who think stuff appeared out of nothing and just suddenly plopped into existence. And yes, it is idiotic.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
It's not. It's just words in a book.The real fool is the one who believes such absurdities without good evidence.
There is actual historical evidence, and one of the languages in history that recorded the life of Jesus spoke Greek which happens to be one of the languages that Jesus spoke. This is exactly why you can trust in the King James Version of the Bible, because it was directly translated from Ancient Greek historical times and read by present day Greeks.
The information is out there. Jesus and his apostles even traveled to Asian countries, and recorded the experience as being pressed by measure, which means that the laws of honor led many to reject the ways of Christ. Jesus was a real person, and he fulfilled ever prophecy. He said that he was from before Abraham. He was recorded to heal, raise the dead, forgive sins, cast out demons, cure addictions, read minds, control the weather, etc.
Faith is like that, however, we actually have tangible evidence that everything was actually created. Just walk outside and take a look. People will either accept or reject the core message of Jesus Christ.
Jesus was the father in the flesh.
Oh boy here we go...
IF Jesus existed (which is a big if) the earliest writings weren't written until decades after his life, so not eyewitnesses. Even Apologists agree to this. No major historians of the time mention Jesus. And the 1 or two that do are obvious forgeries from the Middle ages.
So IF he existed and the myths are based on a real person, he was just another mundane preacher, and the story embellishments were added much later. Which kind of negates the whole point of Christianity, now doesn't it?
On top of that it was common practice to euhemerize supernatural figures, that is to place them into an historical setting (probably makes them more relatable, ya know?).
It's a very inconvenient fact for apologists that there are documented dying-and-rising deities predating Jesus (Mithras, Osiris, Dyonysus, Zalmoxis, Innana, Adonis, Romulus, Asclepius, Baal, etc) that were also euhemerized. Probably best to ignore and obfuscate this fact? Somehow Jesus was different, yes?
Snap out of it and stop trolling us.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Oh boy here we go...IF Jesus existed (which is a big if) the earliest writings weren't written until decades after his life, so not eyewitnesses. Even Apologists agree to this. No major historians of the time mention Jesus. And the 1 or two that do are obvious forgeries from the Middle ages.
So IF he existed and the myths are based on a real person, he was just another mundane preacher, and the story embellishments were added much later. Which kind of negates the whole point of Christianity, now doesn't it?
On top of that it was common practice to euhemerize supernatural figures, that is to place them into an historical setting (probably makes them more relatable, ya know?).
It's a very inconvenient fact for apologists that there are documented dying-and-rising deities predating Jesus (Mithras, Osiris, Dyonysus, Zalmoxis, Innana, Adonis, Romulus, Asclepius, Baal, etc) that were also euhemerized. Probably best to ignore and obfuscate this fact? Somehow Jesus was different, yes?
Snap out of it and stop trolling us.
You should actually search the Bible. Begin in our times, and read the New Testament. Study the Bible and prove it wrong, evolution is a series of contradictions which is why, it’s a theory. You’re held by many of the rumors that float around in this world Mr. Anderson. It’s easy to see.
Jesus fulfilled every prophecy written before his physical birth about his coming, they have historical proof in the form of ancient texts, and there are also Ancient Greek texts that can be read by people that speak Greek today. This is exactly why the King James version is the best translated version of the Bible.
The apostles were pressed by measure. The Apostles of Christ enforced his word, and only his word, so Jesus was in Asia as described in the Bible. The Bible writes that while in Asia, the apostles who had wives there, were pressed by measure. What does that mean? It means that their core principles were different.
Jesus is about faith, righteousness, love, and grace, while Asia lived life by their physical outward achievements enforced by a strict code of honor, and dishonor, which is why when they preached in those lands, they were met with opposition.
Kind of like the street preachers throughout history who have been physically attacked, screamed at, spit on, etc. However, in those days Jesus gave them power over the laws of science.
The Buddhist respected him, Muslims respected him, the Pagans wanted to be like him, and birthed the Catholic Church. Sorry my friend, but Jesus is real history. It’s fine if you don’t believe, but that does not mean that what was written did not happen.
Jesus was written about throughout the ages as seen during the history of the tribe of Judah (The original Jews). There were actual eye witnesses that saw the things that he did. He was written by people that were inspired by the spirit of the one true God throughout the ages. They have very real historical records of Jesus.
If you ever decide to read the Bible, Jesus mentions that he was before Abraham. The Bible writes as such; 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
You have a lot of mistrust, as well as a hardened heart which is your resistance to submit. In psychology it is referred to as the fight, or flight response. We are not submissive by nature. You need faith to receive the Holy Spirit. It is the only way that you will be able to see, but your chances of gaining it is very slim. It’s actually the greatest thing that you can actually receive in this life, because it teaches you love, and the fruits of love.
Do neutrinos exist? Can we see them? Can they pass through anything? How can we prove that they exist? CERN has discovered some pretty hard evidence over the past few years. Should we believe they’re data? Why should we believe that Abraham Lincoln ever existed? Historical data?
Are other countries and cultures allowed to have histories? That’s a pretty snide narrative if you ask me. Meanwhile let’s go back to believing that a rock will eventually turn into something other than dust.
Darwin said that there would be a change of kinds over many years, so can anyone give me an example of observable evidence of a change of kinds? What I mean is there is human kind. The scientific method of proving that there was a change in kinds has rules that state that these changes must be observable and repeatable. When were these changes seen to support this idiotic claim?