Captain America vs Havok

Started by Darth Thor2 pages

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That is because his aim was to destroy as much of it as possible as quickly as possible. He's shown before that he can fire very accurately if necessary. Just after the 40 second mark:

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That was a single controlled burst from his hand though.

Could be different firing continuously from the chest, or chest and arms simultaneously.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That was a single controlled burst from his hand though.

Could be different firing continuously from the chest, or chest and arms simultaneously.

He fired controlled beams from his chest during First Class, once Beast's rig helped him channel his powers. And we know he was doing the aiming, as he had to practice to be able to do so. And the huge blast he sent at Apocalypse was dead center (even though he put enough power into the blast to vaporise everything in its path). His beams go in a straight line unless he moves his body/arms.

But guess we will have to agree to disagree. Because I think he has enough feats to show he can fire very accurately when necessary, and in the scene with Cerebro his intention was to cause as much destruction as possible, so he was not trying to aim at anything specific.

But we both agree Cap wins. I just think he does it in a different manner.

This discussion has brought me back to a gripe I had with him in the Xavier kidnap scene. What was he thinking going HAM like that? Given how destructive that beam was, he could have killed Xavier in the process.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

This discussion has brought me back to a gripe I had with him in the Xavier kidnap scene. What was he thinking going HAM like that? Given how destructive that beam was, he could have killed Xavier in the process.

Just a silly scene to get rid of Havok and have QS do his thing.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Just a silly scene to get rid of Havok and have QS do his thing.

Well, the reason it really irks me is because during an interview with Lucas Till, he described that moment as him trying to be "heroic". But the way the scene was shown made it far from heroic. Just moronic.

Well he probably figured if Charles could somehow survive his powers before he got good with them. He'd be okay now that he actually knew what he was doing.

In First Class, he was specifically not aiming at Xavier though, and didn't end up hitting him. In Apocalypse, he fired that blast directly at the group Charles was a part of. And, as I pointed out, the heat output from the beam was powerful enough that it incinerated an entire Cerebro blast door, which is pretty tall and wide.

But yeah, guess they had to figure out a way to shoehorn the QS slowmo scene in, even if it made another character look completely idiotic.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Because IM was firing all his shots at the same spot, like a dumbass (especially considering he was the one who gave Spidey the advice to go for Steve's legs), and the distance was far less than 50 feet. And, again, it was not a triple beam. Also, Tony tagged him with an individual repulsor shot earlier in the fight, while Steve had his shield. And as I already pointed out earlier, both Spiderman and Winter Soldier have managed to tag Cap, while he had his shield, by targeting two areas at once.

To be fair, the further someone is from someone with a shield, the harder it is to hit exposed parts of the body. If Cap puts his shield in front of him and leans forward while he runs, even if not at too low a lean, it makes it hard to actually hit any exposed part of him.

I've tried playing air soft and archery tag with shields included... and it's actually very difficult to shoot at the shield bearer's legs. It's not just that they're small targets but that the angle of the shot itself is difficult.

Still doesn't change the fact that the tactic I pointed out can and has successfully been used against Steve before. By anyway, like I said, I do believe Cap wins this, but I think he is a lot more likely to succeed if he immediately puts Havok on the defensive rather than letting Alex go hard offense against him.