Originally posted by h1a8
If they are not faster than what they are shown to be then they wouldn't be able to beat any average male adult, let alone several highly skilled fighters.Similarly, Cap will get stomped by any UFC fighter his size. He's way too slow to fight them.
Arguing that your opinion of the writer's intention trumps what is shown on screen is against the rules and thus trolling.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Arguing that your opinion of the writer's intention trumps what is shown on screen is against the rules and thus trolling.
1. I state facts. You not believing in them doesn't make them opinions.
2. These are actors. It's asinine to assume they will move at the exact speed as shown onscreen. If that's the case then Chris will stomp Cap since he defended against a dude that punched way faster on screen. Cap would get stomped by any UFC fighter his size. He wouldn't land a blow.
The arrow Sunny caught was the slowest phucking arrow in history.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Arguing that your opinion of the writer's intention trumps what is shown on screen is against the rules and thus trolling.
What's funny is that Chris Evans actually has professional stuntmen (like Sam Hargrave and Jackson Spidell), with actual extensive martial arts training, do many of his stunts (including multiple fight scenes) across the films.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. I state facts. You not believing in them doesn't make them opinions.
2. These are actors. It's asinine to assume they will move at the exact speed as shown onscreen. If that's the case then Chris will stomp Cap since he defended against a dude that punched way faster on screen. Cap would get stomped by any UFC fighter his size. He wouldn't land a blow.
The arrow Sunny caught was the slowest phucking arrow in history.
You don't state facts, you state your opinion. this has been pointed out to you multiple times by multiple different people. It's also been pointed out that per forum rules what is seen on screen trumps all, therefore​ your debate style of ignoring what the movies actually show and instead using what you consider a writer's intention is actually trolling, As you're knowingly breaking the rules.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't state facts, you state your opinion. this has been pointed out to you multiple times by multiple different people. It's also been pointed out that per forum rules what is seen on screen trumps all, therefore​ your debate style of ignoring what the movies actually show and instead using what you consider a writer's intention is actually trolling, As you're knowingly breaking the rules.
He is also the only person I have ever encountered, across multiple boards, to claim that the MCU Cap fight choreography is "slow". And, as I pointed out, a lot of it is done by actual professionals, with them using camera tricks, head covering (such as his helmet), and sometimes a degree of CG, to hide the fact that it isn't him. Evans does indeed do some of the close-up stuff, but a lot of the rest is not him. So, once again, H1 is trying to assert his very subjective opinion as fact (even though no one else I have encountered agrees with him on this), based on the faulty premise that it's an actor, and not a professional martial artist, doing the sequences.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't state facts, you state your opinion. this has been pointed out to you multiple times by multiple different people. It's also been pointed out that per forum rules what is seen on screen trumps all, therefore​ your debate style of ignoring what the movies actually show and instead using what you consider a writer's intention is actually trolling, As you're knowingly breaking the rules.
So when a bullet is showed in slow motion then are we to assume the bullet is actually moving slower than normal?
So you agree that if we use Chris Evan's actually visual speed then he would be too slow to land a blow on a real professional fight his size? Chris from "Next" would easily dodge every attack made by Cap.
Take a green car for example.
If I say that the car is green then that's a fact.
If I say that "I believe" that the car is red (or green) then that's a fact if I'm telling the truth (I truly believe).
If I say that the car is red then that's neither a "fact" or an "opinion". It's a false statement.
If I say that "I believe" the car is red (or green) then that's neither a fact or an opinion if I'm lying (I don't believe).
Opinions are things like, "The Matrix is a good movie." "Ice-cream is delicious"
So calling facts opinions doesn't make them opinions no matter how bad you think so. That style of argument is forever dead to me.
Originally posted by h1a8
So when a bullet is showed in slow motion then are we to assume the bullet is actually moving slower than normal?
You're not this stupid, so stop trolling.
So you agree that if we use Chris Evan's actually visual speed then he would be too slow to land a blow on a real professional fight his size? Chris from "Next" would easily dodge every attack made by Cap.
Why would I agree to something that isn't true?
Take a green car for example.
If I say that the car is green then that's a fact.If I say that "I believe" that the car is red (or green) then that's a fact if I'm telling the truth (I truly believe).
If I say that the car is red then that's neither a "fact" or an "opinion". It's a false statement.
If I say that "I believe" the car is red (or green) then that's neither a fact or an opinion if I'm lying (I don't believe).
Opinions are things like, "The Matrix is a good movie." "Ice-cream is delicious"
So calling facts opinions doesn't make them opinions no matter how bad you think so. That style of argument is forever dead to me.
You believing a green car is red doesn't make it true. it just makes you wrong.
Originally posted by Silent Master
1. You're not this stupid, so stop trolling.2. Why would I agree to something that isn't true?
3. You believing a green car is red doesn't make it true. it just makes you wrong.
1. You are saying that we should take visual speed literally and use it as on screen feats.
2. Then that would contradict your stance on us using visual speed to determine who's faster.
3. I'm wrong in "believing" the car is red (If I do believe) but I'm not wrong in "saying" that I believe (because I actually do believe). But you get the point nonetheless.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. You are saying that we should take visual speed literally and use it as on screen feats.
Again, you're not this stupid. so stop trolling.
2. Then that would contradict your stance on us using visual speed to determine who's faster.
You lying about their fighting speed doesn't mean I'm contradicting my stance.
3. I'm wrong in "believing" the car is red (If I do believe) but I'm not wrong in "saying" that I believe (because I actually do believe). But you get the point nonetheless.
Nobody cares if you believe something is true, we only care if it's actually true. if it's not, we are going to tell you that you're wrong and no amount of you saying "but I believe it" is going to change the fact that you're wrong.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, you're not this stupid. so stop trolling.You lying about their fighting speed doesn't mean I'm contradicting my stance.
Nobody cares if you believe something is true, we only care if it's actually true. if it's not, we are going to tell you that you're wrong and no amount of you saying "but I believe it" is going to change the fact that you're wrong.
You have no clue to how to express your stance. You say that we must go on visual speed to prove that Bane is slow but don't want to use visual speed for other characters (like Cap). You are creating a double standard. You can't have it both ways.
My point was that I never stated an opinion. Either what I said is universally true or false.
Originally posted by h1a8
You have no clue to how to express your stance. You say that we must go on visual speed to prove that Bane is slow but don't want to use visual speed for other characters (like Cap). You are creating a double standard. You can't have it both ways.My point was that I never stated an opinion. Either what I said is universally true or false.
You're the only one who doesn't understand our stance, the problem is on your end.
If what you say is neither an opinion or a fact, what is it?
Originally posted by h1a8
You have no clue to how to express your stance. You say that we must go on visual speed to prove that Bane is slow but don't want to use visual speed for other characters (like Cap). You are creating a double standard. You can't have it both ways.My point was that I never stated an opinion. Either what I said is universally true or false.
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