Originally posted by SurturCalm down Surt dude, Lestov was just commenting on how you cuck for the right even in emotional situations where your cucking is likely to seem unpleasant. No need to get triggered brah!
Lol, why are you such a piece of shit? This is yet another terror attack in London and you're worried about how a stranger online is going to react. You're worried about getting your jabs in.I find it also funny you will run your mouth about hypocrisy on the right, but never seem to show up when the left acts this way.
And now, because you had to run your mouth some more, you've derailed a terror attack thread.
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, why are you such a piece of shit? This is yet another terror attack in London and you're worried about how a stranger online is going to react. You're worried about getting your jabs in.I find it also funny you will run your mouth about hypocrisy on the right, but never seem to show up when the left acts this way.
And now, because you had to run your mouth some more, you've derailed a terror attack thread.
Fine. Do you feel conservative proselytizing led to this attack? Also, to me, you're not just a stranger on the internet. You are representative of your conservative base. The more hypocritical you are, the more I see conservatives as hypocrites on a whole. So don't be hypocritical in your answer....
And yes, anyone calling for political violence is a piece of shit.
Trump, the antifa protesters who claim we need militant action against so-called "fascists", feminist frequency for claiming violence against political opponents is a necessity, those who go beyond saying some Islamic ideology and culture should be criticized and implicating all Muslims as enemies in some sort of collective guilt bullshit, BLM calling for the deaths of cops.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Fine. Do you feel conservative proselytizing led to this attack? Also, to me, you're not just a stranger on the internet. You are representative of your conservative base. The more hypocritical you are, the more I see conservatives as hypocrites on a whole. So don't be hypocritical in your answer....
Lol but again: a stranger on the internet should not be representing an entire base of people for you. That is insanity.
As for if I think rhetoric against Muslims lead to this attack, I do think it played a part(as well as the many many terror attacks). The interesting experiment will be how the media handles this. Will they agree with you and I? Because if they do lol@ the hypocrisy. Since these people fought tooth and nail to try to say the Virginia shooting wasn't because of leftist rhetoric.
If the media is consistent though, we will see op ed's from the NYT's, etc. about why this isn't conservatives faults, etc. I highly doubt they will react that way. Just look at how they reacted to the Portland stabbing.
Originally posted by SurturI think if you scratch beneath the surface of many conservatives on the internet you find hypocrites, my observations tally with Lestov's.
Lol but again: a stranger on the internet should not be representing an entire base of people for you. That is insanity.As for if I think rhetoric against Muslims lead to this attack, I do think it played a part(as well as the many many terror attacks). The interesting experiment will be how the media handles this. Will they agree with you and I? Because if they do lol@ the hypocrisy. Since these people fought tooth and nail to try to say the Virginia shooting wasn't because of leftist rhetoric.
If the media is consistent though, we will see op ed's from the NYT's, etc. about why this isn't conservatives faults, etc.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Fine. Do you feel conservative proselytizing led to this attack? Also, to me, you're not just a stranger on the internet. You are representative of your conservative base. The more hypocritical you are, the more I see conservatives as hypocrites on a whole. So don't be hypocritical in your answer....
This idea of collective guilt, that you can say "this person is a hypocrite, so therefore it's okay for me to judge other people on their political wing based on this persons actions" is ridiculous. And I have no love for conservative ideology, and in fact find a lot of conservative stances regressive, but judging conservatives on the whole based on Surtur is not a fair judgement.
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
I think if you scratch beneath the surface of [B]many conservatives on the internet you find hypocrites, my observations tally with Lestov's. [/B]
Yes, and we can find many bigots here too, like you for instance. This is not up for debate, you made a bigoted statement. Move on from it and don't let it ever happen again.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Come on that's completely ridiculous. By that same token you could judge the left as a whole off of the actions and arguments of those who claim all white people are racist and it's impossible for black people to be racist, or those who actually defend communism as a good ideology, or those on feminist frequency claiming that political violence is a necessity, or the spreading of the wage gap myth. As somebody on the left who rejects all of those things, I would find it absurd for me to be judge based on the actions and stances of other people also on the left.This idea of collective guilt, that you can say "this person is a hypocrite, so therefore it's okay for me to judge other people on their political wing based on this persons actions" is ridiculous. And I have no love for conservative ideology, and in fact find a lot of conservative stances regressive, but judging conservatives on the whole based on Surtur is not a fair judgement.
Perhaps Glenn Beck is right and many conservatives just don't understand how people see them or what they appear.
“When people really understand what the alt-right is, this neo-nationalist, neo-Nazi, white supremacy idea that Bannon is pushing hard,” Beck said, “I hope they wake up because, if not, we are racist. If that’s what we accept and we know it, then we are racist. I contend people don’t know what the alt-right is yet.”
But Beck seems to represent a minority on the right, given Trump’s ascendance to the White House and his continued support from Republicans.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Come on that's completely ridiculous. By that same token you could judge the left as a whole off of the actions and arguments of those who claim all white people are racist and it's impossible for black people to be racist, or those who actually defend communism as a good ideology, or those on feminist frequency claiming that political violence is a necessity, or the spreading of the wage gap myth. As somebody on the left who rejects all of those things, I would find it absurd for me to be judge based on the actions and stances of other people also on the left.This idea of collective guilt, that you can say "this person is a hypocrite, so therefore it's okay for me to judge other people on their political wing based on this persons actions" is ridiculous. And I have no love for conservative ideology, and in fact find a lot of conservative stances regressive, but judging conservatives on the whole based on Surtur is not a fair judgement.
The thing is, on this forum, Surt is probably one of the lesser conservatives. There used to be guys like TI and Star who made Surt seem near-liberal by comparison. That's why I use Surt as my conservative litmus test.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Also, Surt, you say I don't condemn the left? You forget that I voted for Jill Stein rather than Hillary.
How does that equate to you condemning the left on this forum?
And the "many many terror attacks"? So you're saying this was arguably a revenge act?
It could be they were fed up with the terror attacks and decided to do something. Just like the Virginia shooter was apparently fed up with the Republicans and decided to go shoot some.
Combine those feelings with some violent rhetoric and you have a recipe for disaster.
Originally posted by SurturPerhaps Glenn Beck is right and many of
Yes, and we can find many bigots here too, like you for instance. This is not up for debate, you made a bigoted statement. Move on from it and don't let it ever happen again.
“When people really understand what the alt-right is, this neo-nationalist, neo-Nazi, white supremacy idea that Bannon is pushing hard,” Beck said, “I hope they wake up because, if not, we are racist. If that’s what we accept and we know it, then we are racist. I contend people don’t know what the alt-right is yet.”
But Beck seems to represent a minority on the right, given Trump’s ascendance to the White House and his continued support from Republicans.
Or perhaps his not. 😉 Hey Surt.