Originally posted by h1a8
Which doesn't rebut the "Miyagi will wait for Sunny to attack" argument.
So you're straight up ignoring how multiple times Sunny waits for people to attack him?
And that Sunny is faster than Miyagi, so trying to counter won't mean shit.
And Sunny is the cream of the crop in a world where people jump 10 feet standing still, knock each other through walls, and have dark magic super powers.
Originally posted by KingD19Sunny will eventually attack first.
So you're straight up ignoring how multiple times Sunny waits for people to attack him?And that Sunny is faster than Miyagi, so trying to counter won't mean shit.
And Sunny is the cream of the crop in a world where people jump 10 feet standing still, knock each other through walls, and have dark magic super powers.
Sunny can't attack faster than Miyagi can perceive or move his hands. He caught an arrow with utter ease. Arrows move significantly faster than Sunny's attacks. Miyagi broke the tops of 3 empty beer bottles. This takes crazy speed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Sunny can't attack faster than Miyagi can perceive or move his hands. He caught an arrow with utter ease. Arrows move significantly faster than Sunny's attacks. Miyagi broke the tops of 3 empty beer bottles. This takes crazy speed.
So you're basing Miyagi's speed on what is implied, but are basing Sunny's on visual?
Do you not see the massive double standard?
Originally posted by h1a8
Sunny will eventually attack first.Sunny can't attack faster than Miyagi can perceive or move his hands. He caught an arrow with utter ease. Arrows move significantly faster than Sunny's attacks. Miyagi broke the tops of 3 empty beer bottles. This takes crazy speed.
Sunny has caught arrows on multiple occasions. While in combat, not just a training exercise. And they were crossbow bolts, so they go faster than regular arrows fired from a bow like the one used in Karate Kid.
Sunny has knocked people over 15 feet, launched them through walls, etc... He has actual speed feats so what's your argument now?
Originally posted by Silent MasterIm arguing assuming Sunny's implied speed. Is Sunny's implied speed faster than an arrow? Could Sunny achieve the same beer bottle feat with his implied speed?
So you're basing Miyagi's speed on what is implied, but are basing Sunny's on visual?Do you not see the massive double standard?
Originally posted by h1a8
Im arguing assuming Sunny's implied speed. Is Sunny's implied speed faster than an arrow? Could Sunny achieve the same beer bottle feat with his implied speed?
Sunny has caught and dodged multiple arrows. So yes.
Also yes, he has far mroe feats of speed and skill and strength than Miyagi. So he could do the same with the beer bottles.
Originally posted by KingD19I don't recall him catching an arrow but rather blocking them with a sword.
Sunny has caught arrows on multiple occasions. While in combat, not just a training exercise. And they were crossbow bolts, so they go faster than regular arrows fired from a bow like the one used in Karate Kid.Sunny has knocked people over 15 feet, launched them through walls, etc... He has actual speed feats so what's your argument now?
Prove that they go faster than the one Miyagi caught.
All you did is support his reflexes, and not actually prove that he can attack faster than an arrow.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't recall him catching an arrow but rather blocking them with a sword.Prove that they go faster than the one Miyagi caught.
All you did is support his reflexes, and not actually prove that he can attack faster than an arrow.
You're right. He did block them with his sword. However, he blocked 5 crossbow bolts while running in a straight line, then dodged about 7-8 more. And since you're so smart, you'd realize blocking them was the smarter strategy as he'd still have his weapon and wouldn't have to drop every single arrow he caught.
Proof? Okay, crossbow bolts fire at a minimum of about 300fps. The Yomi bow that they used for the demonstration is huge and has a long draw which means it's arrows don't go that fast. And normal recurve arrows go about 225fps. So it's even lower than that.
Prove Miyagi can attack faster than Quinn, or Silver Moon, or a Dark One.
Originally posted by h1a8
Once Sunny is exposed from attacking then he can't defend the counter. He will be out of defensive position.
Have you ever watched Into the Badlands? Sunny has attacked while being countered, he's attacked from a different angle while attacking, etc...
Even if Miyagi throws off a counter, Sunny tanks it(as he took multiple hits from Dark Ones using their powers) and beats his old ass.
Originally posted by KingD19If Sunny attacked while being countered then it wasn't a real counter. A counter can only happen when someone arm or leg is extended significantly. Anything done after recovery isn't a counter. Miyagi has the hand speed to generate a lot of kinetic energy.
Have you ever watched Into the Badlands? Sunny has attacked while being countered, he's attacked from a different angle while attacking, etc...Even if Miyagi throws off a counter, Sunny tanks it(as he took multiple hits from Dark Ones using their powers) and beats his old ass.
Originally posted by h1a8
If Sunny attacked while being countered then it wasn't a real counter. A counter can only happen when someone arm or leg is extended significantly. Anything done after recovery isn't a counter. Miyagi has the hand speed to generate a lot of kinetic energy.
Sunny's just that good. He's the best fighter in literally the entire Badlands, as he has easily beaten all the rest, with only Quinn and Silver Moon actually being a challenge, and those two aside from Waldo are the top Clippers aside from Sunny.
Can his hand speed launch Sunny 15 feet through a solid stone wall? He's had that happen a few times and all it does is piss him off.
Originally posted by KingD19
You're right. He did block them with his sword. However, he blocked 5 crossbow bolts while running in a straight line, then dodged about 7-8 more. And since you're so smart, you'd realize blocking them was the smarter strategy as he'd still have his weapon and wouldn't have to drop every single arrow he caught.Proof? Okay, crossbow bolts fire at a minimum of about 300fps. The Yomi bow that they used for the demonstration is huge and has a long draw which means it's arrows don't go that fast. And normal recurve arrows go about 225fps. So it's even lower than that.
Prove Miyagi can attack faster than Quinn, or Silver Moon, or a Dark One.
You ignored my most important point. I never claimed Miyagi can attack faster than Sunny can defend. I said Sunny can't attack faster than Miyagi can defend. I said that Miyagi will only counter Sunny. He would never attack him straight up.
This gives Miyagi the automatic win. The moment Sunny attacks then Miyagi will counter. Sunny will be exposed and can't defend.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI did. I showed his reactions are far greater than Sunny's attack speed. I showed his incredible hand speed. This means he can counter the moment Sunny extends. Sunny can't recover his extended limb faster than Miyagi can attack.
You still haven't proven that Miyagi can counter someone as fast and skilled as Sunny.
Originally posted by KingD19My argument is that Miyagi will not get hit because he will simply wait for Sunny to attack and then counter.
So explain how a completely normal old man like Miyagi can withstand blows from a superhuman such as Sunny? The strongest non-Dark One superhuman in a world of superhumans?What's a counter going to do when you break your arm in the process and Sunny completely overpowers or ignores it?
Originally posted by h1a8
I did. I showed his reactions are far greater than Sunny's attack speed. I showed his incredible hand speed. This means he can counter the moment Sunny extends. Sunny can't recover his extended limb faster than Miyagi can attack.
Which of these numbers are higher.
1) 300 or 225
2) 5 or 1