Originally posted by leonidashe almost certainly is and DC gives it's characters far more "pushes" than marvel does. I do agree with you on characters not needing to receive a steady amount of amps to be interesting. Receiving amps regularly is one of the reasons behind why I went from loving Batman and Superman to disliking them.
are you asking which characters i hate in dc?
Originally posted by deathslash
he almost certainly is and DC gives it's characters far more "pushes" than marvel does. I do agree with you on characters not needing to receive a steady amount of amps to be interesting. Receiving amps regularly is one of the reasons behind why I went from loving Batman and Superman to disliking them.
Amen on not liking Superman. Batman I can deal with.
Originally posted by deathslash
he almost certainly is and DC gives it's characters far more "pushes" than marvel does. I do agree with you on characters not needing to receive a steady amount of amps to be interesting. Receiving amps regularly is one of the reasons behind why I went from loving Batman and Superman to disliking them.
really? you think? i dunno. most of dc's streets have kinda stayed pretty much the same imo. who do you see as having really received a bp/cage/IF-esque push? maybe current deathstroke? how did bats or superman get pushes iyo? both have traditionally been at the top of the food chain in dc, so not really seeing the pushes. i'll admit to not loving hal and most gl's in the last few years. i do feel they have been given some pretty crazy treatment (but they've had some pretty interesting stories as well....) but bats and superman they have crazy feats dating back decades.... so does hal for that matter. and flash.... i guess i've always seen dc's characters as more stable--quite a bit more stable--than marvel's. at least more recently. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidasBatman constantly disappearing in front of Superman/Gotham/full rooms of characters (not even gonna mention him getting a face full of concrete from wonder woman)? Bane getting taken from high street to potentially mid meta? Deathstroke getting more and more broken and over the top weapons? Midnighter beating up hell lords? There are more examples, all you have to do is wait for Golgo to make a new thread and you can literally smell the cheese. Seriously, every third word out of that guy's mouth is "X character that used to be street level just blew up a planet by blinking".
really? you think? i dunno. most of dc's streets have kinda stayed pretty much the same imo. who do you see as having really received a bp/cage/IF-esque push? maybe current deathstroke? how did bats or superman get pushes iyo? both have traditionally been at the top of the food chain in dc, so not really seeing the pushes. i'll admit to not loving hal and most gl's in the last few years. i do feel they have been given some pretty crazy treatment (but they've had some pretty interesting stories as well....) but bats and superman they have crazy feats dating back decades.... so does hal for that matter. and flash.... i guess i've always seen dc's characters as more stable--quite a bit more stable--than marvel's. at least more recently. /shrug
hulk's another one for marvel. idiocy. for how many decades did we debate who was stronger ultimately, thor or hulk. and now you have hulk capable of what--collaterally destroying worlds?? vaporizing supposed enemies who were at one time able to battle him and yet, even at "10000x" their normal power they are less than nothing?? lol ridiculous. but that seems to be the thing at marvel. monica rambeau is next in line, easy to see that already. i really do hate the trend but even more, i don't understand it. if they were good characters to begin with, this approach should not be necessary.
Originally posted by leonidashulk is one of Marvel's top teirs though. You do realize that Superman just punked two enemies that gave him serious trouble in the past right? Also, there was an actual reason behind why hulk suddenly became so powerful, Superman just started singing people out of existence and lifting infinity for no reason.
hulk's another one for marvel. idiocy. for how many decades did we debate who was stronger ultimately, thor or hulk. and now you have hulk capable of what--collaterally destroying worlds?? vaporizing supposed enemies who were at one time able to battle him and yet, even at "10000x" their normal power they are less than nothing?? lol ridiculous. but that seems to be the thing at marvel. monica rambeau is next in line, easy to see that already. i really do hate the trend but even more, i don't understand it. if they were good characters to begin with, this approach should not be necessary.
Originally posted by Galan007
Never pegged you for a racist. This is a sad, sad day indeed.herbcry
Originally posted by leonidas
to me, panther is something else entirely though. he was such a cool character at one point but he's more robot nowadays, doing whatever the hell he wants and he's seemingly been given this marvel grace to solve any problem or beat whoever is in front of him. it's rather maddening tbh. ms america is a really cool character, but she is likely the most arrogant female character in marvel imo. now i think of it, i really dislike the ultimates in general... touted as this awesome team, when any competent version of the avengers could easily match them. /shrug
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Originally posted by psycho gundam
What matters most is if the story/character suffers in favour of a power boost or whatever the case may be.
constantine is a great choice for a dc character i can no longer stand to even look at...
@slash: i get what you're saying about superman (though i've not followed him for a few months now) but it seems the degree of his amp (not counting the one he seems to have received just recently) was never that great. adding some new powers never really seemed to stick with him (singing, t-vo, that sunburst thing he did once....) at heart he seems the same.
and there is a difference between beating some guys and vaporizing them as collateral damage, at "1000x" normal power.... i mean, hell, even jim frickin hammond seems like a herald at marvel these days...
in general i just think dc has stayed more true. mostly because so many of their guys were overpowered already maybe? /shrug