Originally posted by relentless1
lol what? you dont see what reverse flash could do to Ultron?? How about phase through him, or put him in the speed force? or one of many attacks hat he's capable of that ultra wouldn't even be able to see coming
By all means, post feats of RF damaging something as durable as Ultron with phasing, or Speed Force dumping someone in the middle of a fight. Speedsters need to run for several seconds (often in a circle) to even open up a breach. And what other "many" attacks does he have that would damage Ultron?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
By all means, post feats of RF damaging something as durable as Ultron with phasing, or Speed Force dumping someone in the middle of a fight. Speedsters need to run for several seconds (often in a circle) to even open up a breach. And what other "many" attacks does he have that would damage Ultron?
RF is a DC character and Ultron is Marvel, thus you have triggered relentless1's fanboy mode.
Honestly Vibranium can absorb and in the MCU redirect kinetic energy; so it stands to reason that you shouldn't be able to vibrate through it. It would be like trying to swim in at best (for RF) really thick Jello...
Grodd or RF destroy the twins though easily, unless Witch goes Visionbuster on Grodd but it kinda looked like that might have a wind up to it.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Honestly Vibranium can absorb and in the MCU redirect kinetic energy; so it stands to reason that you shouldn't be able to vibrate through it. It would be like trying to swim in at best (for RF) really thick Jello...
That is a good point, actually. As per Howard Stark (in CA:TFA) vibranium is "completely vibration absorbent".
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
By all means, post feats of RF damaging something as durable as Ultron with phasing, or Speed Force dumping someone in the middle of a fight. Speedsters need to run for several seconds (often in a circle) to even open up a breach. And what other "many" attacks does he have that would damage Ultron?
it stands to reason that he can use that lightning capture/throw ability that Barry does since Thawne taught him the manoeuvre in the first place, and we know Ultron Prime is vulnerable to just such an attack as thats what crippled his body (Thors Lightining, Repulor Beam, Vision beam).
Also him building up speed is irrelevant because it takes him a millisecond to do so,; Ultron isn't catching him running to and fro as he builds up said speed is he??
As for phasing feats, its logical to assume that Thawne, being stronger and more experienced than Barry would reasonably be able to replicate feats; also the OP states that its a composite with Flash feats so that being said Barrys train phase was quite impressive, being able to phase a multi ton train moving at high speeds for enough time as it takes for that train to pass through the rubble on the tracks is a pretty decent feat to suggest he could likely do it to Ultron
Originally posted by relentless1
it stands to reason that he can use that lightning capture/throw ability that Barry does since Thawne taught him the manoeuvre in the first place, and we know Ultron Prime is vulnerable to just such an attack as thats what crippled his body (Thors Lightining, Repulor Beam, Vision beam).Also him building up speed is irrelevant because it takes him a millisecond to do so,; Ultron isn't catching him running to and fro as he builds up said speed is he??
As for phasing feats, its logical to assume that Thawne, being stronger and more experienced than Barry would reasonably be able to replicate feats; also the OP states that its a composite with Flash feats so that being said Barrys train phase was quite impressive, being able to phase a multi ton train moving at high speeds for enough time as it takes for that train to pass through the rubble on the tracks is a pretty decent feat to suggest he could likely do it to Ultron
You're comparing Barry's bolt toss to Thor's lightning? Barry's doesn't even kill normal people. Thor's lightning destroys planet crusts and giant technorganic space dragons. They are on two very different levels. And even when Thor's lightning did damage Ultron, it was after a massive battle that he was finally worn down. And even then he was still alive. So that will do nothing.
They have to literally run in a circle to open the portal. And then they have to get you inside it. Ultron is stronger than any speedster, so he's not forcing him in. And that's even if Ultron and Wanda just stand there the whole time.
Thawne is not stronger than Barry. Barry surpassed him a while back. Although his composite feats are somehwat decent, like summoning a ton of clones. However they were so incompetent they gave Vixen like 10 minutes to use the Spear of Destiny and fix everything while they were just running around.
In all honesty Wanda probably mindf*cks both of them as she has greater feats of manipulation than Grodd. And the Flashes are not immune to telepathy and mind control.
Also she can keep Grodd in check with her TK.
Originally posted by relentless1
it stands to reason that he can use that lightning capture/throw ability that Barry does since Thawne taught him the manoeuvre in the first place, and we know Ultron Prime is vulnerable to just such an attack as thats what crippled his body (Thors Lightining, Repulor Beam, Vision beam).
Wrong. Zoom taught him that in S2, while pretending to be Jay. Thawne has never thrown lightning onscreen. And Thor's lightning alone >>> any Speedster lightning bolts, and that's without factoring in Vision and Iron Man.
Originally posted by relentless1
Also him building up speed is irrelevant because it takes him a millisecond to do so,; Ultron isn't catching him running to and fro as he builds up said speed is he??
Wrong again. We visibly see that it takes several seconds of running to open those rifts. If it was as easy as you are trying to make it sound, Thawne would have done it before, which he hasn't.
Thawne has been tagged by non-Speedsters before while not focusing on them, such as Firestorm and Green Arrow. He also got tagged during the LoT finale by both Atom and Steel. So, he is not untouchable.
Originally posted by relentless1
As for phasing feats, its logical to assume that Thawne, being stronger and more experienced than Barry would reasonably be able to replicate feats; also the OP states that its a composite with Flash feats so that being said Barrys train phase was quite impressive, being able to phase a multi ton train moving at high speeds for enough time as it takes for that train to pass through the rubble on the tracks is a pretty decent feat to suggest he could likely do it to Ultron
Thawne has been bested by Barry multiple times since the end of S1. So, as things stand, Barry is more powerful. Thawne does not get Barry's feats. Composite means he gets all his own feats from both shows.
And nothing any Speedster has damaged via phase-attack was A. as durable as Ultron, or B. partially composed of a material that actually absorbs vibrations (which is how Speedsters phase). So, there is zero concrete evidence that a phase attack would work. For all we know, Thawne might end up mangling his hand instead.
I.E. you are reaching pretty hard right now.
Originally posted by KingD19
Thawne is not stronger than Barry. Barry surpassed him a while back. Although his composite feats are somehwat decent, like summoning a ton of clones. However they were so incompetent they gave Vixen like 10 minutes to use the Spear of Destiny and fix everything while they were just running around.
Not only were his time remnants kind of useless, it wasn't a quick thing gathering them. It took him like half an episode to get all of them.
Originally posted by h1a8
RF could phase through Ultron and destroy some internal circuitry. Grodd could mind control SW to destroy Ultron from the inside.Grodd could control QS.
How does he vibrate through Vibranium which absorbs Vibrations? Also stop trying to lie. We all know speedsters can't just phase in the middle of a fight. The fight has to be over, and they have to be holding their "victim" very close so they can speed up their hand to push it through their chest. That is the only way they've ever phased anyone.
How does Grodd mind control SW who has better mind control feats than him? As well as massively powerful TK?
Grodd won't even have time to focus on Pietro. He'll have his hands more than full with Wanda.
Originally posted by KingD19
How does he vibrate through Vibranium which absorbs Vibrations? Also stop trying to lie. We all know speedsters can't just phase in the middle of a fight. The fight has to be over, and they have to be holding their "victim" very close so they can speed up their hand to push it through their chest. That is the only way they've ever phased anyone.How does Grodd mind control SW who has better mind control feats than him? As well as massively powerful TK?
Grodd won't even have time to focus on Pietro. He'll have his hands more than full with Wanda.
The term "Vibrate" through has nothing to do with the actual mechanism. RF is basically phasing, becoming intangible.
It absorbs KE to an extent (not unlimited). Like Kevlar does.
SW has no feats of mind control or resisting mind control.
Originally posted by h1a8
The term "Vibrate" through has nothing to do with the actual mechanism. RF is basically phasing, becoming intangible.It absorbs KE to an extent (not unlimited). Like Kevlar does.
SW has no feats of mind control or resisting mind control.
LOL!!! your arguments just keep getting dumber. I'll say it again, you really need to watch the movies and TV shows.