Reverse Flash/Gorilla Grodd vs. MCU Ultron/Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch

Originally posted by h1a8
The term "Vibrate" through has nothing to do with the actual mechanism. RF is basically phasing, becoming intangible.

It absorbs KE to an extent (not unlimited). Like Kevlar does.

SW has no feats of mind control or resisting mind control.

So do you even watch Flash? Like at all?

Because they state multiple times that Flashes phase by vibrating their molecules really fast so they can slip through solid matter. We even see them start to violently shake when they phase. How is that not clear to you?

Okay so you never watched Civil War? She made almost the entire country of Sokovia evacuate by manipulating them to leave their homes and go to the life boat ships. Does Grodd have feats of resisting mind control? He only has weaker showings of it.

And so far it took faaaaaar more energy than Thawne can put out to even damage Ultron's final form.

Originally posted by KingD19
So do you even watch Flash? Like at all?

Because they state multiple times that Flashes phase by vibrating their molecules really fast so they can slip through solid matter. We even see them start to violently shake when they phase. How is that not clear to you?

Okay so you never watched Civil War? She made almost the entire country of Sokovia evacuate by manipulating them to leave their homes and go to the life boat ships. Does Grodd have feats of resisting mind control? He only has weaker showings of it.

And so far it took faaaaaar more energy than Thawne can put out to even damage Ultron's final form.

Vibranium cant prevent molecules from slipping through.
I don't remember her doing that. Can you post the scene?
Ultron' internals are very easy to damage. Also prove that Ultron succeeded in making his outside vibranium.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's what phasing is!

Vibranium cant prevent molecules from slipping through.
I don't remember her doing that. Can you post the scene?
Ultron' internals are very easy to damage. Also prove that Ultron succeeded in making his outside vibranium.

We're on the same page then? Phasing is vibrating so fast you can pass through solid, unvibrating matter.

So, if he's vibrating and the metal absorbs the vibrations...nothing happens. Can't phase if you're not vibrating.

Ultron's internals are not easy to damage. His innards weren't even exposed or damaged until a rage filled Scarlet Witch ripped his "heart" out. That doesn't matter though as Thawne would have to phase through him first and Vibranium's very nature makes that impossible.

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Originally posted by KingD19
We're on the same page then? Phasing is vibrating so fast you can pass through solid, unvibrating matter.

So, if he's vibrating and the metal absorbs the vibrations...nothing happens. Can't phase if you're not vibrating.

Ultron's internals are not easy to damage. His innards weren't even exposed or damaged until a rage filled Scarlet Witch ripped his "heart" out. That doesn't matter though as Thawne would have to phase through him first and Vibranium's very nature makes that impossible.

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That's if an object comes in contact with vibranium. Did you know that matter is more nothingness than something? There are vast distances between molecules (almost like outer space). How can something absorb something that is walking past it? You are creating a no limit fallacy. You are assuming that since it can dampen some degree of vibration through direct contact then it can automatically stop a vibrating molecule from walking through vast open space between its molecules. That's a huge jump in logic.

Ok I got you with the SW feat. But it seemed she possibly worked on one family at a time. But that's irrelevant since She used her energy to manipulate their minds. This is TK and not TP.

And you haven't proven that Ultron's final form was made of vibranium.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's if an object comes in contact with vibranium. Did you know that matter is more nothingness than something? There are vast distances between molecules (almost like outer space). How can something absorb something that is walking past it? You are creating a no limit fallacy. You are assuming that since it can dampen some degree of vibration through direct contact then it can automatically stop a vibrating molecule from walking through vast open space between its molecules. That's a huge jump in logic.

Ok I got you with the SW feat. But it seemed she worked on one person or family at a time. She used her energy to manipulate their minds. This is TK and not TP.

And you haven't proven that Ultron's final form was made of vibranium.

Okay, the hand, even if it is phasing, is still generating massive amounts of vibrations. Once the vibrations are absorbed, the hand stops phasing. Panther in a suit of the stuff didn't even budge when he got shot in the chest and face by a 50. machine gun. There's far more chance of vibranium stopping the vibrations(as that's it's stated purpose) than not.

Telekinesis is when you move things with your mind. Like when she caught the tower or threw Panther away from Bucky. The SOkovians were very visibly being mind controlled to leave. Her energy is just red. She did the same thing to the Avengers when she controlled them and put the visions in their head. Or did you forget that part too? Hawkeye even directly says, "I tried the mind control thing before. Not a fan."

His final form wasn't perfect like Vision, but he said he had enough Vibranium to create a new body(his final one) and used the rest to strengthen the core of the Sokovia bomb.

So you just didn't watch the movie at all huh? It's impossible to forget everything of importance all the time like you do.

Originally posted by KingD19
Okay, the hand, even if it is phasing, is still generating massive amounts of vibrations. Once the vibrations are absorbed, the hand stops phasing. Panther in a suit of the stuff didn't even budge when he got shot in the chest and face by a 50. machine gun. There's far more chance of vibranium stopping the vibrations(as that's it's stated purpose) than not.

Telekinesis is when you move things with your mind. Like when she caught the tower or threw Panther away from Bucky. The SOkovians were very visibly being mind controlled to leave. Her energy is just red. She did the same thing to the Avengers when she controlled them and put the visions in their head. Or did you forget that part too? Hawkeye even directly says, "I tried the mind control thing before. Not a fan."

His final form wasn't perfect like Vision, but he said he had enough Vibranium to create a new body(his final one) and used the rest to strengthen the core of the Sokovia bomb.

So you just didn't watch the movie at all huh? It's impossible to forget everything of importance all the time like you do.

Why ignore my argument. I explicitly explained vibranium can dampen things on direct contact. Walking through vast open space isn't the same.

It's like the Earth and moon are made of vibranium. Yet I can send a shaking (vibrating) ship between them.
The Earth and moon would not absorb anything since no contact is being made to them.
I don't recall him using any vibranium to make his final form. Vision was supposed to be his vibranium self.

h1 arguing that an object that absorbs vibrations won't have an effect on an tactic that relies on vibrations is just further proof that he's not very smart.

Originally posted by Silent Master
h1 arguing that an object that absorbs vibrations won't have an effect on an tactic that relies on vibrations is just further proof that he's not very smart.

Originally posted by h1a8
That just proves that you have 0 reading comprehension. The walking between vast space just went over your head I guess.

What it proves is that you're not very smart.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why ignore my argument. I explicitly explained vibranium can dampen things on direct contact. Walking through vast open space isn't the same.

It's like the Earth and moon are made of vibranium. Yet I can send a shaking (vibrating) ship between them.
The Earth and moon would not absorb anything since no contact is being made to them.
I don't recall him using any vibranium to make his final form. Vision was supposed to be his vibranium self.

Because you ignore arguments all the time. In this case though, I'm ignoring it because it's simply wrong.

I get what you're saying, I get every bit of it. But the problem is that you're under the assumption that already phasing means the Flash is immune and Vibranium won't work. Vibranium however absorbs all kinetic energy directed against it. And all speedster phasing is is a lot of kinetic energy being given off so they can vibrate fast enough to phase. Soooo since they have to vibrate(i.e. give off Kinetic Enerrgy) to phase, and Vibranium absorbs Kinetic Energy, best case scenario Thawne's hand just stops vibrating. Worse case he gets mangled.

On the topic of phasing though, Shadowcat and Vision could phase him just fine as they've A)both used phasing in combat, and B)don't vibrate to phase.

He directly stated he'd use the rest for another body and the bomb core. Go watch the movie, I'm not going to go find a 2 minute talking snippet out of that whole thing because you're lazy.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What it proves is that you're not very smart.

You think we would've learned by now hahahah.

Originally posted by KingD19
Because you ignore arguments all the time. In this case though, I'm ignoring it because it's simply wrong.

I get what you're saying, I get every bit of it. But the problem is that you're under the assumption that already phasing means the Flash is immune and Vibranium won't work. Vibranium however absorbs all kinetic energy directed against it. And all speedster phasing is is a lot of kinetic energy being given off so they can vibrate fast enough to phase. Soooo since they have to vibrate(i.e. give off Kinetic Enerrgy) to phase, and Vibranium absorbs Kinetic Energy, best case scenario Thawne's hand just stops vibrating. Worse case he gets mangled.

On the topic of phasing though, Shadowcat and Vision could phase him just fine as they've A)both used phasing in combat, and B)don't vibrate to phase.

He directly stated he'd use the rest for another body and the bomb core. Go watch the movie, I'm not going to go find a 2 minute talking snippet out of that whole thing because you're lazy.

There is no such thing as "give off kinetic energy". Kinetic energy is not energy like "light". It is energy in the form of "motion of a body".

Kinetic energy can be efficiently transferred (over 90% of it) to another object through a collision (with help of the law of conservation of momentum).

How can vibranium absorb something it doesn't come in contact with? There is no collision. You have to either explain causation or give an example of vibranium absorbing something it doesn't come in contact with.

You are not addressing my arguments but ignoring them and arguing around them. This is trolling. I gave an example of the Earth-moon system that refutes your argument. You must address this argument specifically, not ignore it. Otherwise, you are ignoring evidence.

You have to prove (since it wasn't shown) that vibranium can dampen kinetic energy or molecules without ever coming in contact with them.

Flashes basically make their molecules move between the object's molecules without coming in contact with them.

I don't believe you at all. I don't recall that Ultron said or implied that he was composed of vibranium. Otherwise, he wouldn't be trying to get into the vision model (which was made of vibranium). If you say that he was partially vibranium, then you defeated your argument. Think about it.