San Francisco to pay $190K for sanctuary violation
You read that correctly. A guy got turned over to ICE by police and sued the city for violating the sanctuary law. He is now set to be given $190k.
San Francisco to pay $190K for sanctuary violation
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Originally posted by Surtur
Lol yeah. It's just hilarious though. We're giving an illegal immigrant money because the cops handed him over and didn't allow him to continue getting away with the crime of being here illegally. That is how far we've fallen as a country.
The rise of personal injury lawsuits against local government opens the door to stuff like this.
Technically, they did cause personal damages by ignoring their own laws (Missed work, pain and suffering to his kid and family, ect). Some ambulance chaser probably caught wind of this, and thought "Cha-CHING". And if not, hey, it was worth publicity.
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol yeah. It's just hilarious though. We're giving an illegal immigrant money because the cops handed him over and didn't allow him to continue getting away with the crime of being here illegally. That is how far we've fallen as a country.
This post reveals a great deal about your thinking and line of reasoning and it's pretty sad that partisan politics, fear, propaganda and the "us vs. them" mentality has so many citizens thinking like this. That this incident is what you define as "that is how far we've fallen as a country'.
I skimmed the article but from my understanding they failed to follow proper procedure and are being held accountable. This may seem ridiculous to you, especially as it's an 'illegal immigrant' but if you take a step back, you need to understand why this is important that this accountability is held up: (1) Breaking the law, to get to those we consider 'undesirable' is never okay and (2) The letter of the law must obeyed by those in power to keep them in check. Depending on your heritage, a few decades ago you and your family could have been considered 'undesirable immigrants'.
Disclaimer: This isn't directed at you in particular but my own thoughts jumbled together from what I've observed recently.
This is no better than extreme 'liberals' arguing that 'hate speech' should be banned. Ya, they're disgusting assholes that should be shunned but the freedom of speech exists for a reason. 60 years ago, people were shunning those protesting for civil rights and segregation as it was 'against the norm'; laws like this exist not so that ignorant assholes have a medium to vent their frustration and small penis syndrome, but so that the average citizen has the right to stand up for what they believe in. Or 20 years from now, the government could label anything anti-government as hate speech and have them arrested.
People are so terrified nowadays it saddens me. All this fear of 'immigrants, terrorists, undesirables, republicans, democrats, average white male' etc. that I see people using to justify treating others pretty terribly. It's ridiculous, reactionary and short-sighted.
For example: The anti-immigration/Mexican/bullshit policy under the new administration. Did you know that there is a serious shortage of skilled laborers in the agricultural belt right now? Workers of a Mexican background are terrified of showing up for work right now, even legal ones in fear of getting shipped off for being Mexican. And surprise, surprise, there's isn't a line of skilled "American" (See: Caucasian) waiting to take on the role. This is significantly driving up wages (Which is the only good thing to come out of this as they were getting paid a horrible wage and being abused) to motivate them to show up. Of course, the price is going to be shifted to the consumer, so from what I've read, if this continues, you can see a significant increase in the basic food necessities we take for granted.
I'm sorry, but No. That is a No with a capital N. I do not care what bullshit you spout. Paying this shithead nearly 200k because we didn't let him stay here illegally makes us all look like dumb pieces of shit. Makes our government look crazy, and just all around we are rewarding some shithead for being illegal. Tax payer money is going to an illegal. For being turned in by the cops. You know what? I wish California would leave the USA.
Full stop, there is No excuse for this.
Breaking the law to get illegals is never okay, but breaking the law to come here illegally is okay? Cuz that kinda sounds weird. Why do people from outside our country get more leeway with being criminals? Did you know Kate Steinle's family couldn't sue the city over her death, but this shithead was able to sue for being turned into ICE?
The truly pathetic thing? Leftists will see this as a good thing.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is no better than extreme 'liberals' arguing that 'hate speech' should be banned. Ya, they're disgusting assholes that should be shunned but the freedom of speech exists for a reason. 60 years ago, people were shunning those protesting for civil rights and segregation as it was 'against the norm'; laws like this exist not so that ignorant assholes have a medium to vent their frustration and small penis syndrome, but so that the average citizen has the right to stand up for what they believe in. Or 20 years from now, the government could label anything anti-government as hate speech and have them arrested.
I do appreciate that you recognize that speech policing is inherently illiberal however. Many are too quick to legitimately claim that censorship is liberal.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This post reveals a great deal about your thinking and line of reasoning and it's pretty sad that partisan politics, fear, propaganda and the "us vs. them" mentality has so many citizens thinking like this. That this incident is what you define as "that is how far we've fallen as a country'.I skimmed the article but from my understanding they failed to follow proper procedure and are being held accountable. This may seem ridiculous to you, especially as it's an 'illegal immigrant' but if you take a step back, you need to understand why this is important that this accountability is held up: (1) Breaking the law, to get to those we consider 'undesirable' is never okay and (2) The letter of the law must obeyed by those in power to keep them in check. Depending on your heritage, a few decades ago you and your family could have been considered 'undesirable immigrants'.
Disclaimer: This isn't directed at you in particular but my own thoughts jumbled together from what I've observed recently.
This is no better than extreme 'liberals' arguing that 'hate speech' should be banned. Ya, they're disgusting assholes that should be shunned but the freedom of speech exists for a reason. 60 years ago, people were shunning those protesting for civil rights and segregation as it was 'against the norm'; laws like this exist not so that ignorant assholes have a medium to vent their frustration and small penis syndrome, but so that the average citizen has the right to stand up for what they believe in. Or 20 years from now, the government could label anything anti-government as hate speech and have them arrested.
People are so terrified nowadays it saddens me. All this fear of 'immigrants, terrorists, undesirables, republicans, democrats, average white male' etc. that I see people using to justify treating others pretty terribly. It's ridiculous, reactionary and short-sighted.
For example: The anti-immigration/Mexican/bullshit policy under the new administration. Did you know that there is a serious shortage of skilled laborers in the agricultural belt right now? Workers of a Mexican background are terrified of showing up for work right now, even legal ones in fear of getting shipped off for being Mexican. And surprise, surprise, there's isn't a line of skilled "American" (See: Caucasian) waiting to take on the role. This is significantly driving up wages (Which is the only good thing to come out of this as they were getting paid a horrible wage and being abused) to motivate them to show up. Of course, the price is going to be shifted to the consumer, so from what I've read, if this continues, you can see a significant increase in the basic food necessities we take for granted.
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Originally posted by Emperordmb
As somebody who thinks Trump's immigration policy is retarded (though less retarded than Europe's), this is a terrible false equivalency. Freedom of speech is a basic and very fundamental right central to personal expression, ideological development, and government criticism. The protection of those who illegally immigrate here from the legal consequences of breaking federal law debatably shouldn't be a thing, much less be on the same level as such a fundamental right as freedom of speech.I do appreciate that you recognize that speech policing is inherently illiberal however. Many are too quick to legitimately claim that censorship is liberal.
Also the fact is a lot of "hate speech" isn't actually hate speech. Even the Southern Poverty Law Center that people here have tried to hold up have labeled groups that merely support anti-immigration laws as "hate groups".
Hate speech is vague, whereas being here illegally isn't vague.
Originally posted by Robtard
Wage taxes, no. Assuming he was living, he would have paid sales taxes on goods and commodities with money he at least earned by working. That's a step up from being a lazy parasite on the tax payers' teat.
Shouldn't we expect more from citizens than to be a step up from a "lazy parasite" as you call it?
Originally posted by carthage
With 190k dollars that far overshadows any single amount of junk food/water bottles to give to mojados. Quite the step up the food chainCalifornia will reap the rewards.
I wondering who the cops were that turned them in, they must not have drank as much kool aid as the others.
Originally posted by carthage
With 190k dollars that far overshadows any single amount of junk food/water bottles to give to mojados. Quite the step up the food chainCalifornia will reap the rewards.
Authorities should have followed proper protocols, just because someone is illegal; it doesn't mean they have less rights than animals. Hopefully these same people will next time do a better job and deport people properly.
Meh, California's economy is stronger than most other countries. 190k loss to the state isn't even noticeable.
Originally posted by Robtard
Wage taxes, no. Assuming he was living, he would have paid sales taxes on goods and commodities with money he at least earned by working. That's a step up from being a lazy parasite on the tax payers' teat.
Very true.
https://www.quora.com/Can-an-illegal-immigrant-in-the-US-sue-a-US-citizen
And as to a non citizen having the power to sue:
Their status as a legal immigrant (or not) does not affect their ability to sue in US courts or to press charges with law enforcement for criminal acts. In fact, they usually do not need to be present in the country to sue, so long as they have a lawyer that can practice law in the jurisdiction they bring suit in.
Pretty much, anybody can sue anyone about anything. Soverign immunity used to make this impossible against the government, until a precedent was set for recouping after their ****ups (Such as harming someone in the process of not obeying their own laws.)
Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, and don't pretend to be an expert on the subject.