Corran Horn & Kyp Durron vs Ahsoka and Vader [Force only]

Started by Vorpal Ruin3 pages
Originally posted by NewGuy01
...Nah. From Dark Nest onward, it's not-so-subtly suggested Jacen's in his own league, something that hasn't even been hinted about Kyp since his academy days. I think Ant mentioned it being stated in early LOTF that Jacen and Luke were the top two in the Order, but seeing how his respect thread is two years late and counting, I can't say for sure.

It's true that overall Jacen and Luke were the top, but Jacen had the edge on Kyp there because he was the superior duelist. Jacen had more esoteric force knowledge and technique as well, but I dont think he outclassed Kyp in raw force power alone, or at least I don't recall him having the feats suggesting so. It's been a while since I read LOTF.

Well, I'd contend that he probably rivals Kyp in raw power simply by virtue of being a Skywalker, but let's put that aside.

Even if Kyp's naturally stronger in the Force than Jacen, he's plagued with mental handicaps--more than any other character that comes to mind--and even admits that he couldn't replicate his feats as a teenager under normal circumstances, despite becoming a Jedi Master. On top of that, in every appearance he's been in since Jedi Academy, he's not once been a key figure in any relevant story, and has almost never stood out as particularly exceptional among his fellow masters. He's the exact opposite of Jacen, who was a key player in basically every conflict throughout his entire career, was constantly paraded as being the most amazeballs Jedi ever by his enemies and peers from late NJO onward, and was constantly exploring ways to expand his powers through years of experimentation with alternative force-using institutions after the Vong war.

Then after all of that he gets reduced to a Sith laughingstock by Krayt and co.

Oh EU, you beautifully nonsensical mess.

Quotes for Jacen > Kyp?

It doesn't exist, sans the one where he says he's second only to Luke in the galaxy - which is about as credible as Kyp saying he was the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Then after all of that he gets reduced to a Sith laughingstock by Krayt and co.

I beg you to justify this statement here...

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, I'd contend that he probably rivals Kyp in raw power simply by virtue of being a Skywalker, but let's put that aside.

You could say that, but there are people in that lineage that both support and oppose that claim, so it's best not brought up.

Originally posted by NewGuy01

Even if Kyp's naturally stronger in the Force than Jacen, he's plagued with mental handicaps--more than any other character that comes to mind--and even admits that he couldn't replicate his feats as a teenager under normal circumstances, despite becoming a Jedi Master. On top of that, in every appearance he's been in since Jedi Academy, he's not once been a key figure in any relevant story, and has almost never stood out as particularly exceptional among his fellow masters. He's the exact opposite of Jacen, who was a key player in basically every conflict throughout his entire career, was constantly paraded as being the most amazeballs Jedi ever by his enemies and peers from late NJO onward, and was constantly exploring ways to expand his powers through years of experimentation with alternative force-using institutions after the Vong war.

Kyp led his own squadron during NJO, as he rebelled from Luke's direction. Jaina even joined Kyp, iirc. Kyp manipulated a dovin basal, a feat that only Luke also claims. Sure, Katarn, Mara, Corran are all notable, but none close to his power. Kenth Hamner was appointed Grandmaster in Luke's absence, but Kenth is not nearly as notable as Kyp.

Kyp most certainly stands out among the NJO masters, as there is nobody else even close to rivaling his force power, except Luke. Kyp Durron is the Mace Windu of his era, except he has incredible force power instead of dueling skill.

Jacen is a more central figure due to being a Solo, and that is a fact; this does not equate to him being more powerful. As far as story relevance goes, the Skywalkers/Solo's are the A list, and almost everyone else is B list or lower. Jacen had his own mental failings, and was a 2nd rate Anakin Solo.

kyp takes this for team 2.

For once, Ant's lowballing isn't needed for vader to lose here

Originally posted by Kjam
I beg you to justify this statement here...
Krayt gave him bad dreams. 🙁

Vorpal Ruin doing some good work in this thread.

I love it. 👆

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Vorpal Ruin doing some good work in this thread.

I love it. 👆

Thanks! I started reading SWEU at NJO, so I'm quite familiar with NJO+, whereas most people here hate NJO but have never read them, so they just listen to other people's opinion. Unfortunately all my SW novels are in storage, which makes finding quotes...not an option for me right now.

Something Newguy said makes me think he never read the source material. I typically don't comment on characters i'm not incredibly familiar with, but to each their own.

Yeah, nice posts Ruin.

For quotes, you can llook at this Respect Thread: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/radioactivehaggis/blog/star-wars-legends-kyp-durron-respect-thread/131657/

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Krayt gave him bad dreams. 🙁

He gave Luke bad dreams too. Dude's the baws. 👆

Originally posted by MythLord
Kyp... actually did the same thing.
I'm pretty sure kyp only manipulated 1, while Luke manipulated 2 at the same time by pulling them apart then slamming them back together.

Still impressive by kyp. Also iirc Luke passed out from exhaustion right after while kyp was just barely able to stay conscious.

Kyp's feat was better and featured a far bigger black hole.

You're a fake ass mother****er.

Having re read it, it appears Luke manipulated a single void being created and controlled by multiple dovin basals, and not manipulating multiple voids.

Also Luke's feat seems to have been done by simply overpowering the basals and the void-

"immeditaly the dovin basals started to shift the void to cover this new attack vector. Luke fed the force into his hold on the void, thwarting them. Their pressure increased, and still Luke held it unmoving. "

While kyps seems to have been done more thru control/finesse, finding the exact right amount of force to use, rather than just overpowering it. -

" And he seized upon that void, directing all his force abilities and discipline against it.
It was like using a thin metal rod to push a grounded landspeeder. Too much pressure and it would bend, becoming useless. Too little and nothing would happen. He had to find the right pressure to budge it, to set it into motion and keep it going that way. "

Mr Fantastic called, and he wants his arm back for all that reaching you're doing.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He gave Luke bad dreams too. Dude's the baws. 👆

To be fair, Caedus also gave Luke bad dreams. And so did Exar Kun and Darth Sidious... Everybody gives Luke bad dreams, apparently.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He gave Luke bad dreams too. Dude's the baws. 👆
Yes, very scawy. 🙁