MJJ v.s. Legion v.s. Franklin

universe-616 Mad jim jaspers-
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/5469/135328-152574-mad-jim-jaspers.jpeg

True legion-
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/52185/2537427-legion21.jpg

adult Franklin richards-
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/57845/2243166-float007.jpg

so this doesnt turn into a fight of "potentials"- the characters are all limited to universal.

who outwarps the other!? 😄

Even though he is ridiculously powerful, Franklin is still the weakest here in terms of raw power output, imo. However, he does have the tools to *potentially* take-out MJJ, via dumping him into void-space and instantly shutting down his brain... Similar to what he pulled on Nathaniel Richards here:
http://i.imgur.com/qxiwUpJ.jpg

And unlike MJJ, Franklin is able to create anything he can imagine ex nihilo(which is why the above might be possible for him):
http://i.imgur.com/AUqNsHU.jpg

But again: that would only have the potential to work IF Franklin got the jump on Jaspers(while he was fighting Legion, perhaps.) In a pure 'warp-off', however, Franklin isn't beating either of these guys.

Where Jaspers vs. Legion are concerned: toss a coin. If I *had* to pick, I would probably side with Jaspers -- but I'm honestly not sure. mmm

Originally posted by Galan007
Even though he is ridiculously powerful, Franklin is still the weakest here in terms of raw power output, imo. However, he does have the tools to *potentially* take-out MJJ, via dumping him into void-space and instantly shutting down his brain... Similar to what he pulled on Nathaniel Richards here:
http://i.imgur.com/qxiwUpJ.jpg

And unlike MJJ, Franklin is able to create anything he can imagine ex nihilo(which is why the above might be possible for him):
http://i.imgur.com/AUqNsHU.jpg

But again: that would only have the potential to work IF Franklin got the jump on Jaspers(while he was fighting Legion, perhaps.) In a pure 'warp-off', however, Franklin isn't beating either of these guys.

Where Jaspers vs. Legion are concerned: toss a coin. If I *had* to pick, I would probably side with Jaspers -- but I'm honestly not sure. mmm

Because that's how the Fury killed MJJ the first time..? 😕

Jaspers is a Mutant, whose mind/brain can warp reality to his whim -- that's how he does what he does:
http://i.imgur.com/s5EeEfW.jpg

The Fury eventually beat/killed Jaspers after a long battle by taking him to un-space -- a place completely devoid of any matter/reality for Jaspers to manipulate(this 'un-space' was in fact universe-238 post-nullification, but that's neither here nor there)... Fury then destroyed MJJ's brain, which subsequently perma-killed him:
http://i.imgur.com/C2OVlrb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RVZgiv9.jpg

Point being: without 'clay' to 'mold', Jaspers is effectively powerless -- he cannot create ex nihilo. That's his only real weakness.

*And to reiterate: I am not saying that Franklin *could* beat MJJ in a similar fashion -- just that it might be *possible* if the circumstances were right.

fair enough.

WHere does legion stand in all of this?

Mad Jim Jaspers.

Close toss up between Legion and Franklin for No. 2 though.

Legion > MJJ > Franklin.

True Legion was universal or multiversal?

Multiversal.

But that doesn't matter here, as the combatants are confined to universal. It's all about whose warp is more potent.

I see, thanks Galan. I think that MJJ's warp is more potent.

Legion could just stand outside the multiverse (where Jaspers is powerless) and manipulate it from there like he did at the end of X-Men Legacy. He could go on to destroy every reality in the multiverse until nothing is left except the void rendering MJJ's powers useless.

I just can't see Legion affecting MJJ within his own warp; and I certainly can't see him destroying said warp from the outside. If Legion is going to win, he's got to remove MJJ from the inside out -- like Fury did. Imo.

Why can't he destroy it from the outside?

Merlyn's comment heavily alluded to such, imo:
http://i.imgur.com/cSWHPp0.jpg
"His counterpart could at least be halted, even if it meant destroy his entire continuum... This one is not so easily containable."

*He's comparing 238 MJJ to 616 MJJ there.

It just means that 616 MJJ could survive universal nullification, but once he's inside the void he's screwed.

He's definitely weakened significantly in a void(as I've pointed out), but you have to get him there first... Which is potentially problematic.

But even if Legion were able to take this fight to a void, he still has to incapacitate MJJ faster than MJJ incapacitates him(remember, even though MJJ wouldn't have reality surrounding him to manipulate, warping Legion himself is still an option.)

So I guess this is essentially a quick-draw scenario in the end... Unless you're of the opinion that Legion is immune to MJJ's warp..? srug

How would MJJ be able to warp Legion in the void? He seemed pretty helpless against the fury there after all, who also fried his brain with casual slowness to boot.

^ Because Fury had adapted and became hyper-resistant to MJJ's warp. This was mentioned a few different times:
http://i.imgur.com/5vSPvRK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/L0h5g9S.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Because Fury had adapted and became hyper-resistant to MJJ's warp. This was mentioned a few different times:
http://i.imgur.com/5vSPvRK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/L0h5g9S.jpg

It's been a while since i read the story, and i dont have access to it right now, but from what i remember the fury was adapting to MJJ throughout their entire fight until it transported MJJ to unspace where it was able to easily fry his brain. That to me implies that his reality warping powers simply do not work in the void.

I just reread the battle, and the heavy implication is that Fury had become all but immune to MJJ's warping abilities -- that's why Jaspers resorted to physical attacks and such during their battle, I'd wager. So when Fury 'ported them to un-space, Jaspers was left with no other material to readily warp(and he was clearly surprised by this tactic -- certainly didn't expect it, and logically may not have even know he had such a weakness in the first place)... Then he gets his brain fried.

Bios support the notion that Fury was immune to MJJ's warp:
http://i.imgur.com/YCm7dKs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/J7ocGRT.jpg