Where Vynd is concerned, this is all we really know...
Originally posted by Galan007
First and foremost: Vyndktvx stole three 'sublime weapons' from Zrfff's vault/arsenal. One of which(the Million-Pointed Multispear) was capable of perma-killing 5-D beings with a single strike... A fact he demonstrated on the Imp King:
http://i.imgur.com/IWgjfUn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EwkAYQ2.jpg
*The Multispear also destroyed 230 worlds instantly as a side effect of that one strike. /shrugAside from that, Vyndktvx was able to manifest his essence as metatextual thought-form technology *enter "Super-Doomsday"*
"I'm an unstoppable killer franchise from a parallel reality! A thought that gets bigger and bigger the more you think it.":
http://i.imgur.com/SdD7Ikm.jpg"I'm the thought of a bigger Superman [...] I'm powered by a simple corporate directive: annihilate the competition!":
http://i.imgur.com/QbqJ0lT.jpgHe was also attacking Superman at all points in his timeline simultaneously:
http://i.imgur.com/p9odMa2.jpgIn fact, his battle with Superman was taking place in "A HIGHER-UP world too... In ALL the different worlds there are, ALL at the same time.":
http://i.imgur.com/739znxy.jpg
IOW, the battle was simultaneously taking place across the entire multiverse AND the higher-dimensional planes as well.Superman ultimately stopped Vyndktvx with a metatextual plot-device just before he destroyed creation:
http://i.imgur.com/THmLtX6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ghp0KHZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3EU9wvd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2y4OkES.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9G0fMQG.jpg
Morrison was going through his 'meta-phase' when he wrote those issues of AC, so Vynd's power wasn't very defined otherwise. ermm
Originally posted by operator616
Morrison had Mxy literally pull a 3D universe out of his hat for shits and giggles, that's how insignificant the entire 3D continuum is for a higher dimensional world in the vyndktvx story. So yes, id say being an imp is enough to beat Darkseid.
Per Morrison's Map, the 4th World(home of Apokolips and New Genesis) is a dimensional plane above the mainstream 3D multiverse, and below the Monitor Sphere/Nil:
http://i.imgur.com/OTpHJH6.jpg
*As you can imagine(especially with Morrison's insanely metatextual take on 5D beings in general), the 5th dimension/Zrfff transcends the Map all together...
So while New Gods are treated as extremely powerful higher-dimensional entities(and rightfully so), they are still WELL below Imps on the celestial food chain.
Originally posted by Galan007
Per Morrison's Map, the 4th World(home of Apokolips and New Genesis) is a dimensional plane above the mainstream 3D multiverse, and below the Monitor Sphere/Nil:
http://i.imgur.com/OTpHJH6.jpg
*As you can imagine(especially with Morrison's insanely metatextual take on 5D beings in general), the 5th dimension/Zrfff transcends the Map all together...So while New Gods are treated as higher-dimensional entities, with higher-dimensional tech and such, they are still FAR below Imps on the celestial food chain.
I always assumed that Nil was outside of DC
Originally posted by Galan007Am I blind, or is Zrfff nowhere on the map?
Per Morrison's Map, the 4th World(home of Apokolips and New Genesis) is a dimensional plane above the mainstream 3D multiverse, and below the Monitor Sphere/Nil:
http://i.imgur.com/OTpHJH6.jpg
*As you can imagine(especially with Morrison's insanely metatextual take on 5D beings in general), the 5th dimension/Zrfff transcends the Map all together...So while New Gods are treated as extremely powerful higher-dimensional entities(and rightfully so), they are still WELL below Imps on the celestial food chain.
Originally posted by xJLxKingThe Source, per Morrison, is the blank page - it's not a character per-say.
Bit of a shame that the Nil come before the source wallI always assumed that Nil was outside of DC
As such, it's outside of story entirely.
Here:
IGN Comics: So that kind of answers my question, which is that the Monitors all seem like analogs for storytellers. There seems to be this never-ending cycle of the stories affecting the storytellers and the storytellers affecting the stories and on and on.Morrison: Yeah, it's a bit of that. It's also the idea that they're like angels as well. For me, the cool, essential idea of all stories being real creates this great cosmology to play with. It's the notion that the white page itself is a void, and in the context of the DC Universe, well that's God or The Source. In the white page, or the void, anything can happen, everything is possible. As I dug down closer to the very root of the activity I find myself engaged in as a career, I was thinking "what is the basis of the comic book story? What actually is it?"
In the case of comic book stories, it's the war between white page and ink. And who's to say that the page might want that particular story drawn on it? [laughs] What happens if the page is a bit pissed off at the story that's drawn on it? So I thought of the page as God. The idea being that the Overvoid – as we called it in Final Crisis - of the white page as a space is sort of God. And it's condensing stories out of itself because it finds inside its own gigantic white space, self-absorbed pristine consciousness, it finds this little stain or mark, this DC Multiverse somebody has 'drawn'. And it starts investigating, and it's just shocked with what it sees, with all the crazy activity and signifying going on in there. It then tries to protect itself from the seething contact with 'story' and imagines a race of beings, 'angels' or 'monitors' (another word for angel, of course) to function as an interface between its own giant eternal magnificence and this tiny, weird crawling anthill of life and significance that is the DC Multiverse.
Hope this clears it up for you.
IGN Comics: You get into that in Superman Beyond #2 with the Superman and Ultraman dynamic.Morrison: Yeah. Again, on the very edge of the art and the edge of the mind of God there are these two big concepts fighting – Superman and Mandrakk, Predation and Protection, Greed and Preservation, Ugly and Beautiful, Youth and Age, Good and Evil, Black and White, Is and Isn't and all the others. Beyond that crumbling ledge in Monitor-World, those concepts don't exist and it's all non-dual Monitor mind, or God, or Kirby's Source, in which all contradictions are resolved into unity. It's funny, the more I talk about it, the more I'm getting into it!
Originally posted by Galan007Maaaybe.
Nope, it's not there. That's what I was saying -- the 5th dimension/Zrfff transcends the Map all together. 👆
I'm curios how Morrison would explain it.
Originally posted by Zack M
Speaking of Morrison's map.
I really feel Snyder has an inferiority complex when it comes to Morrison.
He always seems to go completely against what Grant set up - first with Batman [it wasn't what you think] now with the DC cosmology [it wasn't what you think!].
