Originally posted by Galan007so it infects someone like logan or wade. what happens to them iyo?
It would have to be a really good HF. The Pathogen attacks the host at the cellular level, and endlessly adapts/evolves itself in response to the host's own form of immunity.I've posted this before, but David explained it best in the novelization:
Hard to say.
Wolvie inhales the atomized pathogen, which begins rapidly attacking his entire body at the cellular level. Then Wolvie's HF kicks in to defend him. Then the pathogen begins constantly adapting to counter his HF, and so on.
I'm not certain if he could outright "beat" the pathogen, given that it would literally be breaking down/altering his DNA structure -- but maybe he could live with it for a while until his HF burns out from being endlessly bombarded.
Yep. The pathogen atomizes when exposed to the atmosphere, so Tony would likely have to use a FF to block it... But he obviously can't maintain that indefinitely.
Also worth mentioning that the pathogen actually did infect a synthetic android in the comics. So there is a precedent for it being able to affect non-organic lifeforms as well... Though in all fairness, the android was directly injected with the goo itself.
Immortality doesn't necessarily preclude the notion that the pathogen could transform them into another lifeform entirely.
For example, it obviously wouldn't kill a guy like Mr. Immortal, but it could transform him into some kind of GLA/Xeno hybrid... OR just use him as a permanent host that can spawn Xenos endlessly.
Originally posted by Galan007
Hard to say.Wolvie inhales the atomized pathogen, which begins rapidly attacking his entire body at the cellular level. Then Wolvie's HF kicks in to defend him. Then the pathogen begins constantly adapting to counter his HF, and so on.
I'm not certain if he could outright "beat" the pathogen, given that it would literally be breaking down/altering his DNA structure -- but maybe he could live with it for a while until his HF burns out from being endlessly bombarded.
For what it's worth, Logan's hf was stated to be adaptive in nature as well, capable of developing resistances to anything in theory, including supernatural stuff.
The guy has recovered from vampirism and lycanthropy, so the limits of his healing power are entirely up to the writers.
Still haven't seen Prometheus and Covenant, but I get that you're saying the pathogen does the "continuous bombardment" thing that would eventually wear down most if not all regen powers which do not run on infinite energy?
In that case, it's indeed quite likely to work.
Wolvie's HF is haxx as hell, so yeah, maybe he could just cure himself of the pathogen all together. Personally, I just see it is a perpetual back and fourth between them until something gives. ie. the pathogen attacks Wolvie, Wolvie's HF counters, the pathogen starts adapting to counter that counter, and so on.
Because regardless of how good the character's HF is, I think it would be very difficult for anyone to keep continuously recovering from something that is endlessly attacking/altering their molecular structure like this:
https://i.imgur.com/vUQX9bi.mp4
...Unless their HF is so uber that they can just purge themselves of the pathogen all together in a short period of time(which is certainly possible by comic standards.)
That being said, there would definitely be some survivors, but that segways into the next part of my original question: how would they fare in a world where 99% of the organic lifeforms(including animals and even insects) have been mutated into Xeno hybrids/Xeno hosts?
Originally posted by Galan007but how? david was at ground zero when he dropped the goo on the engineers but was never infected because he is a synthetic. that makes no sense.
Also worth mentioning that the pathogen actually did infect a synthetic android in the comics. So there is a precedent for it being able to affect non-organic lifeforms as well... Though in all fairness, the android was directly injected with the goo itself.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXLike I said, the atomized particles don't seem to affect non-organic/synthetic lifeforms... But per the comics, even androids can be altered by the pathogen, when its original/liquid variation is directly injected into them:
but how? david was at ground zero when he dropped the goo on the engineers but was never infected because he is a synthetic. that makes no sense.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXYeah, his name is Elden, and he was a synthetic being. The pathogen ultimately transformed him into an absolute beast of a character who could ragdoll multiple Xenos and Predators simultaneously, and had an uber HF... But that's neither here nor there.
that guy was an android? i'll take your word for it, but damn.i just don't get why the atomized version wouldnt affect synthetic beings, but the liquid would.
The pathogen affects all lifeforms differently. Evidently synthetic lifeforms are immune to the atomized particles, but when the original liquid version is directly introduced into them, it's a different story.
When that comic was released, Galan?
2014 & 2015? After Prom, before Cov?
And it's 100% canon or just canon-adjacent at best?
Don't get me wrong, great find and everything, but you know how it is with stuff like this.
If the goo is as uber as it seems, I imagine only reality warpers and matter manipulators of sufficient power could survive, no?
Originally posted by Galan007could it be that their outsides are just more immune than their insides? I imagine synthetic lifeforms don't breathe so their insides are more closed systems in terms of pathogens, but maybe that assumption is wrong.
Yeah, his name is Elden, and he was a synthetic being. The pathogen ultimately transformed him into an absolute beast of a character who could ragdoll multiple Xenos and Predators simultaneously, and had an uber HF... But that's neither here nor there.The pathogen affects all lifeforms differently. Evidently synthetic lifeforms are immune to the atomized particles, but when the original liquid version is directly introduced into them, it's a different story.
Though synthetics do not require a breathable atmosphere, hostile environments are still damaging — corrosive atmospheres will melt them, extreme pressure will squash them flat and hard vacuum will explode them.[9]
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYeah, it was released around then. Though from an in-universe POV, the story is set like 200 years after the events of Prometheus.
When that comic was released, Galan?2014 & 2015? After Prom, before Cov?
And it's 100% canon or just canon-adjacent at best?
Don't get me wrong, great find and everything, but you know how it is with stuff like this.
If the goo is as uber as it seems, I imagine only reality warpers and matter manipulators of sufficient power could survive, no?
I believe the comics are canon to an extent, as they obviously include many elements taken directly from the films... Though if the comics were ever contradicted by the films, then the latter would take precedence. In this case, however, there is really no contradiction, as the films have never shown us what happens to a synthetic when they're directly injected with the liquid variation of the pathogen.
There are some theories floating around that David(post-Covenant) will start experimenting on himself with the pathogen, which could explain why the Xenos featured in the first Alien film had a far more bio-mechanical look to them, than they did in Covenant... But those are obviously just theories at this point.
Originally posted by SmurphI think the fact that synthetics don't actually breathe(in the conventional sense) accounts for that, yeah. In Prometheus it was stated that David didn't need to wear a space suit in order to survive the inhospitable atmospheric conditions on LV-223, while the humans did -- he simply wore the suit because one of his programming directives was to blend in with humans so they felt more 'comfortable' with him or w/e. The pathogen itself also doesn't seem to directly target synthetics, because again, it primarily seeks out organic lifeforms.
could it be that their outsides are just more immune than their insides? I imagine synthetic lifeforms don't breathe so their insides are more closed systems in terms of pathogens, but maybe that assumption is wrong.
But in this case, the liquid variation of the pathogen was directly introduced/injected into Elden, so it's an entirely different case than what we'd see with the atomized/breathable particles.