Triggered: Stories to make you mad.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, I see your point. And, yes, trade schools definitely provide more RoI than these paper mills. We made a shift from classic degree schools to more skill based professions.

Now you need a certification that says you're a certified ethical hacker to get hired as a security engineer at many places. Now you need to be a licensed welder, etc. etc.

All of these skill based professions are where it is going. Due to the stagnation of what an education can offer, especially in science and technology programs, your degree becomes outdated even while you're obtaining it.

This is why there is more of a push to get people certified and trained in trade schools.

We can keep post-secondary educational institutions, of course. But require them to provide certifications that directly translate to the real world.

You have to have go thru the LEFTIST Propaganda Machines otherwise known as "Colleges and Universities" not that they actually teach you anything about what ever your chosen proffesion is to be, but they want to MINDWIPE you and reprogram you with their Fascist Dogma.

That is the jest of it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Hey, if this is the only way I can get you to admit you're peddling factually incorrect political science, so be it. 👆
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Your need to resort to personal attacks or just repeat what you've said without acknowledging another person's response doesn't convey intelligence, it conveys arrogance.

Explain to me why a democracy which doesn't proportionally represent its voters is as democratic as one which does?

Or are you just going to dance around my point as you do.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, I see your point. And, yes, trade schools definitely provide more RoI than these paper mills. We made a shift from classic degree schools to more skill based professions.

Now you need a certification that says you're a certified ethical hacker to get hired as a security engineer at many places. Now you need to be a licensed welder, etc. etc.

All of these skill based professions are where it is going. Due to the stagnation of what an education can offer, especially in science and technology programs, your degree becomes outdated even while you're obtaining it.

This is why there is more of a push to get people certified and trained in trade schools.

We can keep post-secondary educational institutions, of course. But require them to provide certifications that directly translate to the real world.

Bingo, put the money towards schools where your feelings, race, gender, and sexuality are irrelevant. Schools where nobody would even consider for a single second postponing an exam because the students were butthurt over the outcome of an election(Yep, that really happened at a college lol, a teacher was berated for not wanting to let them postpone it due to hurt feelings over Trump)

Originally posted by Surtur
Pot, kettle, black and all that jazz.

But you've demonstrated your ability to reference an idiom. Well done 👆

Nice.

Originally posted by Firefly218
But it's not about being "scared" of the message. If there's a Nazi in your house, you have the right to kick them out.

If you don't like what someone is saying do not go to their talk. If you can't stay away and you need to protest then you sure as hell don't interrupt the speaker nor do you steal shit.

And hilariously this is a comment I found about who apparently was the woman that stole the notes:

"And that woman that took his notes is Katie Gregory, who is the Associate Director of Career Services and Advising at Quinebaug Valley Community College."

Lol, not sure if true, I can't really find anything much on this either way. The school named is in the same state, I did find that. This doesn't shock me if it is true, it would just be par for the course that this persons job is to advise young people about major life decisions.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Why are you so scared of Milo? Why does his message scare you so much?

By your logic, is every person eligible for a platform to voice their beliefs and opinions? Should we allow men like Hitler and Stalin to have a platform for their voices? Should we allow a "Cigarettes are Healthy" spokesperson to have a platform?

Originally posted by Firefly218
By your logic, is every person eligible for a platform to voice their beliefs and opinions? Should we allow men like Hitler and Stalin to have a platform for their voices? Should we allow a "Cigarettes are Healthy" spokesperson to have a platform?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
A public university is not "your" house, and offense doesn't give the offended unilateral control over who is and isn't allowed to be there, and certainly doesn't justify you running up and stealing their shit.

I never unilaterally condoned everything that's happened, nope. Rioting is almost never okay.

But if white supremacists have the right to express their opinions, the student body of a university has the right to as well. I bet if a black supremacist a$$hole came to your region and was given a platform to trash white people, you'd be a little pissed off also.

If you wanted to go onto a college campus and talk about how cigarettes are healthy...you'd need to provide some sort of evidence for that assertion lol.

Just like a flat earther, I'd say let them speak. They show how dumb they are to everyone.

Originally posted by Firefly218
I never unilaterally condoned everything that's happened, nope. Rioting is almost never okay.

But if white supremacists have the right to express their opinions, the student body of a university has the right to as well. I bet if a black supremacist a$$hole came to your region and was given a platform to trash white people, you'd be a little pissed off also.

Part of expressing an opinion is not: interrupting invited speakers, stealing, vandalism, or physical attacks.

The hecklers veto just can't be a thing anymore.

Originally posted by Firefly218
I never unilaterally condoned everything that's happened, nope. Rioting is almost never okay.

But if white supremacists have the right to express their opinions, the student body of a university has the right to as well. I bet if a black supremacist a$$hole came to your region and was given a platform to trash white people, you'd be a little pissed off also.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes I would absolutely disagree with the content of his speech and be pissed off about it. I wouldn't even dare to think of demanding that he be deplatformed or attempting to disrupt the event itself however.

But anyways I digress

Originally posted by Firefly218
If your University cordially invited black israelites and gave them a platform and a space to express their anti-white people philosophy, you would definitely have a problem with that. Especially when the energy could be used more productively to give other more deserving groups a voice.

But anyways I digress

You can have a problem with their message without: interrupting invited speakers, stealing, vandalizing, or getting violent.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
How did you get an admission where I didn't admit anything?

You acknowledged that you were wrong and I was correct but tried to argue from a point of degrees instead of absolutism, this time. Doesn't matter, if that is the only way I can get you to admit you are wrong, the conversation still moves forward.

If only you'd admit you were wrong in the other thread when it comes to the math, though...I mean, it's been a long time since I've had such an easy cut and dry conversation where math gave us a definitive answer. But you are too stubborn or stupid (which one?) to just concede that many news sites f*cked up and are wrong.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Ok no one is scared of Milo's message. It's about not giving that message a massive platform on which to stand above the rest.

It's too late. You can't stop that. He already has a massive audience and his messages are spreading all over the place.

So what's the point of stopping him from coming to a university to speak and debate?

Your feelings have no business when it comes to political, sociological, and scientific speech (which are generally his areas of discussion). It's simply morally wrong to stop him from speaking just because you're afraid of his message. It's the wrong thing to do. Do you understand that trying to silence him gives him a stronger message? If you're not scared of it and you think he's wrong, welcome his speaking, debate him, and use your superior logic and intelligence to show the audience that he is wrong. It is a great opportunity and forum to make these things happen. Shutting him down with violence and censorship is not a good idea. It always has the opposite effect.

Originally posted by Firefly218
But let me ask you a question that might better elucidate my point.

Okay, let's see how this goes. I'm both happy and scared for what comes next. I am being 100% honest that I have not read your next paragraph, as I respond to your post. I hope so so so badly that you're about to make a great point and I will learn something new or my position will slightly move. Oh boy...I'm almost afraid to scroll down and read it because I've built you up so much, just now...okay, here I go....

Originally posted by Firefly218
By your logic, is every person eligible for a platform to voice their beliefs and opinions?

YEEEESSSS! F*CKING YESSSS! Let's caution you, here, with your rhetoric: not all speech is protected under Free Speech. I think you know that more than most.

However, to your point, I think you know we have enough history, in the US, to consider that freedom of speech is important. You know...our slave history, near genocide of Native Americans...that stuff? Not really a minor (wrong time for a pun) reason why we need to protect the shit out of our Freedom of Speech.

Universities, among all places, need to be Hallowed Free Speech grounds more than anything else. They should be the centers of debate, learning, education, and sociological and scientific improvements. I want the best of the best debates to happen there. Let your Milo's speak. Let your Shapiros speak. Let your Cenks speak. Debate! It's awesome!

Originally posted by Firefly218
Should we allow men like Hitler and Stalin to have a platform for their voices? Should we allow a "Cigarettes are Healthy" spokesperson to have a platform?

Sort of. Now we move into the section of "not protected speech." You're not allowed to say, "Let's go beat the shit out of these kikes' asses!" Or, "Kill all transgenders! Let's get 'em!"

That's not protected speech. And does not fall under the umbrella of Free Speech in the US.

I think you know that.

As far as cigs go, that's not inciting violence. If someone wants to peddle their pseudoscience that cigs are good for you, let them. It's protected speech. If enough people are interested in that speaker, on campus, and they pay the speaking fees, let them. You can disagree. Bring your talking points and science with you. Own his or her ass in the auditorium with your superior intelligence, research, and diligence. And that's beautiful, isn't it?

As for Stalin and Hitler, well, depends on what they are saying, doesn't it? If Hitler wants to kill dem Jews, well, that's not protected speech, now is it?

It's like they have no concept of the Streisand effect either.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's like they have no concept of the Streisand effect either.

Right, this is what I was implying. 👆

The unintentional Streisand Effect.

^ Killing dem Jews is not protected speech, but technically spreading anti-Semitic propoganda IS protected free speech. Shilling for Cigarette companies IS protected free speech. I say these things shouldn’t be promoted or given platform. Of course that doesn’t condone the violence and rioting at Berkeley, which was wrong.

As far as ppl like Milo and Shapiro, they’re more or less fine. I’m saying that Nazis or KKK don’t deserve a stage.