Originally posted by BackFire
Intent. Nazis have a genocide under their belt and the KKK have decades of terror and systematic murder of minorities under theirs.Antifa has hit some people with bats and burned some buildings.
Originally posted by BackFire
Intent. Nazis have a genocide under their belt and the KKK have decades of terror and systematic murder of minorities under theirs.Antifa has hit some people with bats and burned some buildings.
Sure but you're comparing those groups from like the 1800s-1940s to a modern one.
You're probably right though that antifa isn't exactly on that level.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but let's be real, every hit to the head with a bat/bike lock or fire started put people in danger of death. If those types of actions continue it's only a matter of time before someone dies.
Perhaps. And make no mistake Antifa deserves to be condemned very harshly whenever they commit such acts. But even then, they will not be comparable to nazis and the KKK. Until they commit genocide and start lynching random white people on the street, there is no comparison.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sure but you're comparing those groups from like the 1800s-1940s to a modern one.You're probably right though that antifa isn't exactly on that level.
There is no practical difference between the Neo Nazis of today and the Nazis of the third reich. They believe and want the same thing. They are genocidal. The only difference is the amount of power they've been able to grab for themselves. The same goes for KKK, they are no better than they were back then, the laws have simply changed.
Originally posted by BackFire
Perhaps. And make no mistake Antifa deserves to be condemned very harshly whenever they commit such acts. But even then, they will not be comparable to nazis and the KKK. Until they commit genocide and start lynching random white people on the street, there is no comparison.
Originally posted by BackFire
There is no practical difference between the Neo Nazis of today and the Nazis of the third reich. They believe and want the same thing. They are genocidal. The only difference is the amount of power they've been able to grab for themselves. The same goes for KKK, they are no better than they were back then, the laws have simply changed.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The neo nazis can be said to be just as abhorrent, but there are key differences between the groups. The original nazis were left wing, their support of socialism and unions is right there in the name. The neo nazis are right wing, and therefor inherently stupid for associating themselves with Hitler. Hitler would actually want the neo nazis killed right alongside everyone else.
Ehhhhh I think it's a little more complicated than that. National Socialism had some left wing economic policies but was incredibly right wing socially (and fiscally too, .i.e. militarization). There certainly was more overlap between conservatives and Nazis than liberals and Nazis in that era.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ehhhhh I think it's a little more complicated than that. National Socialism had some left wing economic policies but was incredibly right wing socially (and fiscally too, .i.e. militarization). There certainly was more overlap between conservatives and Nazis than liberals and Nazis in that era.
Original Nazis were not left wing. They were very right wing. They did not support socialism, they murdered actual socialists. The word "socialist" being in their name is no more proof that they were actually socialist as North Korea calling itself "Democratic People’s Republic of Korea" is proof that they are democratic.
Originally posted by BackFire
Original Nazis were not left wing. They were very right wing. They did not support socialism, they murdered actual socialists. The word "socialist" being in their name is no more proof that they were actually socialist as North Korea calling itself "Democratic People’s Republic of Korea" is proof that they are democratic.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It was their whole platform to get things going though and it's not like they adopted a nationwide capitalist system once they got started. At least I've never heard of such a thing.
They were a right wing fascist regime. Saying they're left is no more accurate than saying Communism is a right wing ideal.
It's actually pointless to even converse with you. Bye.
Originally posted by BackFire
Not all antifa members are marxist or communist. All Neo Nazis are Nazis.
Originally posted by BackFire
They were a right wing fascist regime. Saying they're left is no more accurate than saying Communism is a right wing ideal.It's actually pointless to even converse with you. Bye.
Well I obviously can't force you to continue, but I honestly don't know why you seem so upset. I feel like we're having a pretty interesting discussion here. I mean it's not like I'm actually supporting or defending nazis or neo nazis.
Originally posted by Robtard
Like I've said before, throwing a smoke bomb at a crowd is illegal and running a crowd over with a car and murdering people is illegal, virtually, there is no difference.
^^Stuff like this is why I speak out against Antifa. You reduce them almost to petty vandals merely tossing smokebombs.
^^Not the result of smokebombs.
And Newsweek is now for some reason framing backlash to what he did as:
"A Keith Ellison tweet mentioning "antifa" has spurred an Islamaphobic backlash across the alt-right"
Wow.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I mean even if the Nazi's economic policy was more left-wing, that doesn't change the fact that their abhorrent social policy was right-wing authoritarian... which is the thing about them most people take issue with.These attempts to shift Nazi blame onto the left are dumb.