"For men and women holding the same job, there’s still a gap, but it’s substantially smaller" -SnipSo there indeed is a gap and the MRAs are just going to have to deal with it.
The broader point is that the wage gap talking point is just that. Now if you want to identify the 7% gap then studies will have to focus on experience/negotiating salary/time off etc then, of course, you're going to end with +/-5% or maybe less but it certainly takes the steam out of that platform.
Originally posted by snowdragon
The broader point is that the wage gap talking point is just that. Now if you want to identify the 7% gap then studies will have to focus on experience/negotiating salary/time off etc then, of course, you're going to end with +/-5% or maybe less but it certainly takes the steam out of that platform.
So it's between 2-12% of a gap. Average of 6%, that's still substantial.
eg, if I suddenly made 6% less it would not greatly affect my life, but I'd not be happy, I don't think anyone here (with a job) would be.
Originally posted by Robtard
So it's between 2-12% of a gap. Average of 6%, that's still substantial.eg, if I suddenly made 6% less it would not greatly affect my life, but I'd not be happy, I don't think anyone here (with a job) would be.
No, I said to evaluate the 7% gap they would have to focus a study on things that aren't always quantifiable such as experience, negotiating etc. Then they, of course, would look at quantifiable material like hours worked, time off etc and go from there. Then they could come up with their variation and it isn't nec +/- 5%.
Originally posted by Surtur
So, she doesn't really want a [1.]universal basic income, [2.]free college for all, [3.]guaranteed federal jobs for anyone who wants one, and for [4.]any illegal to be able to come here?
1. UBI is a Libertarian concept, not socialist. Sorry, the socialists/commies can't steal that. They already had their own ideas.
2. Free college is definitly socialism. However, with out-of-control college-tuition costs, change definitely has to occur and it is clearly not correcting itself through the natural machinations of the market.
3. This is also socialism and not something I readily support. However, I do see utility in getting everyone paid-work because there's always plenty of things people can and need to be doing.
4. That is not socialism. That's not even directly related to economic policy. That's a foreign policy. Different area.
Originally posted by Robtard
I really need to look more closely into Ocasio-Cortez, admittedly don't know a lot about her aside from the sensationalist snippets you see.
Her platform was already boiled down into direct, succinct points. You and I don't have to do deep thinking because some nerds with too much time already did it for us! 😄
That's clearly from Fox News so even if that has a bias, I'm not really pissed at much of that.
I'll put up Fox News points and state whether or not I agree:
1. Medicare for All - Agree. I've long since made it know that I think Medicare for all is how we get UHC.
2. Housing as a human right - Mostly disagree
3. Federal Jobs Guarantee - Mostly Disagree
4. Gun Control/Assault Weapons Ban - Federal regulation umbrella (implement laws that are great, like Colorado's, and make it enforced nationally) and enforced gun control, no to assault weapons ban.
5. Criminal Justice Reform, End Private Prisons - Mostly Agree
6. Immigration Justice/Abolish ICE - ****ing YES I agree
7. Solidarity with Puerto Rico - Agree, 10,000%
8. Mobilizing Against Climate Change - Mostly Agree, we need less chicken-little and more science based policy on climate change
9. Clean Campaign Finance - Not far enough in election corruption, needs to be far more severe. But as Backfire would counsel me on this point, there has to be a legit start/foundation to get to where almost all agree - fight corruption
10. Higher Education for All - Disagree somewhat, agree somewhat
11. Women's Rights - Disagree that this is relevant, today. Pendulum has swung too far and now we need to focus more on equal opportunity and men's rights.
12. Support LGBT - This is a a major duh. It's pathetic that this is even a political platform in 2018...or is it sad? Yes, it's more sad.
13. Support Seniors - Somewhat Agree. Context is we don't do good enough. Agree with that. May not agree on her solutions.
14. Curb Wall Street Gambling/Restore Glass Steagall - Whenever I see this, I wonder if I'm being an arrogant dick again or if people are truly this ignorant. Glass-Steagall was not repealed back in 1999. It was sections 20 and 32 that were effectively neutered.
NPR wrote an article on this and they effictively shit all over the idea that the repeal of those sections caused the financial crisis in 2008. And it should be obvious as to why: Glass-Steagall - All about separating investment banking and commercial banking. Housing crash: shitty mortgage underwriting practices coupled with blind-eye securities ratings agencies giving AAA ratings to poisonous CDOs (I've given a couple of write-ups on this, by now, if anyone wants to know about what really caused the Great Recession). Honestly, it's the Democrats who keep pedaling the bullshit about Glass-Steagall because it's the same shit the GOP does to win votes - fear-mongering of the other side to get votes.
Anyway, if someone can find a better, less-biased rundown of Ocasio-Cortez's platform, I'm all for it.
Originally posted by Scribble
Interesting, I clearly judged too soon and from too little information. I don't suppose you have a link to your previously mentioned post? I'd be interested to see your breakdown of it all.
Sorry, man, I posted so much on Politics and commented specifically on Hillary's platform that it would be nigh-impossible to find the exact post where I boiled it down. Because the search doesn't work very well, I don't know how i would start looking for it to find it.
Originally posted by Robtard
"For men and women holding the same job, there’s still a gap, but it’s substantially smaller" -SnipSo there indeed is a gap and the MRAs are just going to have to deal with it.
I should point out that this is the honest answer. It's 95-97 cents to the dollar, female to male, after proper controls are put in place. That's still a gap and at very large samples, it indicates there's still something in the data.
But wait...there's more! The wage gap has gone the other direction among younger people in metropolitan areas (apples to apples comparison of younger people). I've posted on this before and the contrast is even greater in the UK where women seem to be maintaining that larger pay gap into their 30s, now, up from their late 20s just 10 years ago. As time goes on, I expect this trend to continue.
This is why I said "women's rights" is an old platform and equal opportunity. I thin men's rights should be the next target from feminism. A fourth wave. This is a good thing for women that men can be seen as nurturers and caretakers, too.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Her platform was already boiled down into direct, succinct points. You and I don't have to do deep thinking because some nerds with too much time already did it for us! 😄That's clearly from Fox News so even if that has a bias, I'm not really pissed at much of that.
1. Medicare for All - I'm gonna go with no. Our budget is overbloated and I don't really believe in the use of government for the redistribution of people's resources.
2. Housing as a human right - **** NO. Not only is this the same issue I have with number one, but actively calling it a right is horrifying. Rights consist of life, liberty and property, things to be safeguarded, not services to be distributed. If you just call shit rights, then they come invariably at the expense of other people's actual rights. This is the kinda logic Jeremy Corbyn was using when he was like "hmmmm can we confiscate these people's property and redistribute it?" No because that's ****ed up.
3. Federal Jobs Guarantee - No. So you're going to take people's money and use it to create jobs there isn't a natural demand for... no.
4. Gun Control/Assault Weapons Ban - No. The way this is phrased makes it clear that she's willing to take things much further than I would agree with in a way that compromises upon the liberty and property right's of this nation's citizens without sufficient evidence it would be very effective.
5. Criminal Justice Reform, End Private Prisons - This one is actually a hard YES for me. I think the Republican party is retarded when it comes to this shit, and it definitely seems like a horrible idea to create a lobby that has an interest in more people being in jail so they get more money.
6. Immigration Justice/Abolish ICE - **** no. I'm a fan of the idea that a country has borders, and that they should be enforced in favor of the citizens of a nation that government is sworn to protect via the social contract.
7. Solidarity with Puerto Rico - Not gonna comment. I'm not familiar enough with the situation to say anything genuinely meaningful
8. Mobilizing Against Climate Change - Not gonna comment here since this isn't an issue I'm very familiar with the details of in terms of its impact or the effects of proposed policy proposals or even what her policy proposals in this regard are.
9. Clean Campaign Finance - Kind of a vague term, I'm not overly familiar with the policy proposals that address this issue or what their impact or effectiveness would be so gonna refrain from comment.
10. Higher Education for All - No. This will come at the expense of redistributing wealth from others, and it'll invariably hurt the people with no interest in higher education who still have to pay for this shit. Seems like a very middle class concern that comes at the expense of the upper class and working class.
11. Women's Rights - No. I agree that women should have the same rights everyone else does, but that appears to be the case, and the term that's used now seems to be mostly used in the pursuit of outcomes and cultural censoring, not genuine rights. Furthermore this tends towards a very pro-choice line of thinking which I strongly disagree with. Even with an actual issue like rape, there are solutions that have been implemented in the education system that I strongly disagree with because they interfere with the presumption of innocence these kinds of legal proceedings should have, and because it sets up universities as quasi-judiciary systems for which they don't have the appropriate structure or expertise.
12. Support LGBT - Depends on to what extent. I'm in support of gay marriage, though that's a thing and I don't see it being repealed any time soon. This hints in the same direction that the women's rights thing does, and if this also implicates the whole "bake the cake shit" then no I don't agree with that.
13. Support Seniors - Not gonna comment. Unfamiliar with the details of the situation and policy proposals.
14. Curb Wall Street Gambling/Restore Glass Steagall - I don't know much about this.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is why I said "women's rights" is an old platform and equal opportunity. I thin men's rights should be the next target from feminism. A fourth wave. This is a good thing for women that men can be seen as nurturers and caretakers, too.
If you had a cultural wave focused on the principle of individualism, then you'd have a movement flexible enough to respond to issues of genuine injustice towards people of any identity group, safeguard against the influence of identitarian rather than individualist thinking, and promulgate the understanding and acceptance of the principle by which equality under the law emerges and fair treatment without double standards is promoted. It would put an end to a lot of the SJW and alt-right horseshit.
Interesting that it seems most across the political spectrum, on this site at least, are in favor of ending private prisons.
Also worth noting that abolishing ICE doesn't necessarily mean that we default to open borders. Could just mean that the person thinks the job could be done better in some way without ICE.
Originally posted by BackFire
Interesting that it seems most across the political spectrum, on this site at least, are in favor of ending private prisons.
Originally posted by BackFire
Also worth noting that abolishing ICE doesn't necessarily mean that we default to open borders. Could just mean that the person thinks the job could be done better in some way without ICE.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
5. Criminal Justice Reform, End Private Prisons - This one is actually a hard YES for me. I think the Republican party is retarded when it comes to this shit, and it definitely seems like a horrible idea to create a lobby that has an interest in more people being in jail so they get more money.