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Originally posted by dadudemon
No, he's right. The theater made the objectively correct choice.

Antifa can continue to anonymously make fire and bomb threats and shut down the opposition form speaking.

And businesses will continue to correctly and safely cancel events to prevent the loss of life and property. As they should.

It's part of the propaganda warfare they are waging. We are currently going through a civil war.

The terrorists are winning. Nothing you can do about it other than fight back with literal homicide against antifa. That's going to just escalate things and make things worse. There's no way to win this other than through bloodshed and I think that's what they want. They want more martyrs.

And if those businesses unlawfully break a contract(as claimed) along the way they will have to face the consequences, as they should.

And you say people can only fight back by killing antifa members. Meh, what I see happening is eventually those on the right start calling in threats to left leaning events to get them cancelled too. Not that they have never done it before, but I could see it increasing in frequency. Then, as per usual, if the right succeeds enough a lot of the same people saying this theater did the right thing will suddenly be saying "businesses need to stand up to these terrorists".

If the business believed Antifa's threats, why didn't they call the police?

It'll be awkward if they lose the lawsuit and antifa threatens to burn down the theater if they pay any money.

I'm sure the judge would just shrug and go "meh, well antifa has spoken I guess I'll overturn this decision".

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Originally posted by Silent Master
How is it a strawman?

The lawsuit is them holding the business accountable for breaking their contract.

Because you're trying to project the opinion on to me that I think businesses (plural)should not be held to account for breaking contracts. Something I clearly didn't say. So... strawman .

So it's that this specific business shouldn't be held accountable for breaking a contract?

Do you sue the airline if your flight is cancelled because a terrorist threatens to blow up a plane?

Or would that be as retarded as this?

Nope it's not the same. What would be retarded is acting like they are the same.

So who's responsible for the cancellation then?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Again, time is a cost. Reputation is a cost. Loss of income, personal man hours put in, etc. These are all costs I’m thinking would not be covered by insurance. Or would it? Never had to cover events with insurance due to cancellation from terrorist threats. Looking simply from the accountability standpoint, they have every right to sue the theatre. As the theatre made the decision, they should be held to it.

Well, and if, in the end, they decide to keep the money and not sue then yes, they would be fleecing ppl for money. But til then it’s wait and see, don’t you think?

The point of my logic is that you seem to be saying (via your Peter Griffin comment above) that the event organizers are suing the wrong ppl here. They are not. At least from my point of view.

Again, I don’t see what your problem here is?

The type of insurance you describe does exist but the premiums are so costly that only very large organizations will buy it.

Originally posted by Surtur
And if those businesses unlawfully break a contract(as claimed) along the way they will have to face the consequences, as they should.

It's a civil matter, breaking a business contract.

And those contracts almost universally have exit clauses. Any lawyer who is not a complete idiot would include exit clauses.

I am not a lawyer but even I know to put exit clauses into contracts with vendors.

They are default included in online templates that you can get for free.

Originally posted by Surtur
And you say people can only fight back by killing antifa members. Meh, what I see happening is eventually those on the right start calling in threats to left leaning events to get them cancelled too. Not that they have never done it before, but I could see it increasing in frequency. Then, as per usual, if the right succeeds enough a lot of the same people saying this theater did the right thing will suddenly be saying "businesses need to stand up to these terrorists".

The problem is, the right is operating, generally, in good faith. They want free speech, gun rights, etc. The left doesn't. It's an asymmetric war. There's only one outcome which is MORE bloodshed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If the business believed Antifa's threats, why didn't they call the police?

It's probably required to report and the police would be investigating. If not, the FBI already is.

The business that broke the contract is responsible for doing so.

In your scenario there is no contract and I'd imagine the airline would either refund the tickets or give people a free ticket on a different flight.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's a civil matter, breaking a business contract.

And those contracts almost universally have exit clauses. Any lawyer who is not a complete idiot would include exit clauses.

I am not a lawyer but even I know to put exit clauses into contracts with vendors.

They are default included in online templates that you can get for free.

*shrugs* Then the lawsuit will fail if that is the case. And if it's not the case then yeah there should be consequences for the business.

The problem is, the right is operating, generally, in good faith. They want free speech, gun rights, etc. The left doesn't. It's an asymmetric war. There's only one outcome which is MORE bloodshed. [/B]

Meh if it comes to that the left will have brought that bloodshed upon themselves.

Originally posted by Surtur
*shrugs* Then the lawsuit will fail.

Maybe. Depends on what was in the exit clause. If they include things like, "Shall be able to terminate the agreement with 48 hours of notice from the engagement, without cause..." and mention a full refund or partial refund depending on the planning and effort the vendor already expended.

If they didn't and there's nothing in the contract about termination of the agreement related, at all, to this situation, it could be a breach of contract.

However, they will lose 100% of the time in cases where bomb threats or fire threats are made. The "reasonable" test will fail 100% of the time. That's how civil suits work. It might even be illegal for the business to allow the speech to continue under "due care" law (now getting into the realm of criminality).

Well if Antifa is allowed to just get away with that and there are no consequences for anyone yup sooner or later There Will Be Blood. Oh well.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Because you're trying to project the opinion on to me that I think businesses (plural)should not be held to account for breaking contracts. Something I clearly didn't say. So... strawman .

I see, so you're only saying that this specific business shouldn't be held accountable for breaking a contract?

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's probably required to report and the police would be investigating. If not, the FBI already is.

I've seen no reports that the police or FBI were notified by the business and are currently investigating.

Originally posted by Surtur
The business that broke the contract is responsible for doing so.

In your scenario there is no contract and I'd imagine the airline would either refund the tickets or give people a free ticket on a different flight.

You realise when you buy tickets for a flight you're entering a contract, right?

And that airlines don't have to offer refunds for things like weather, so called "acts of God" or terrorism.

What if you had to be at your destination for a specific time due to a business meeting in which you will lose money and reputation if you're not there on time?

Suing the airline would still be retarded, wouldn't it?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
You realise when you buy tickets for a flight you're entering a contract, right?

And that airlines don't have to offer refunds for things like weather, so called "acts of God" or terrorism.

What if you had to be at your destination for a specific time due to a business meeting in which you will lose money and reputation if you're not there on time?

Suing the airline would still be retarded, wouldn't it?

Sure in that scenario, but good thing the two scenarios aren't the same.