Originally posted by Surtur
Lol oh shit this is going to trigger the hell out of leftists:
So a general purpose store that sells finished products to people should, IMO, have to sell those products to whoever, just as if a bakery had a line-up of cakes available for sale they shouldn't be discriminatory in who they allow the final product to go to. For commissioned work specifically tailored to the purpose of those who commissioned it, such as say a painter, or in this case a baker being commissioned to bake a cake tailored to a gay wedding, I think they should have every right to refuse since forcing them to take a commission like that is IMO tantamount to compelled speech.
Thus I am pleased with the DOJ in this situation.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
You see here's my thinking on anti-discrimination policy. I think anti-discrimination policy is necessary for the social fabric of our country (given identity politics and political tensions, could you imagine how much more autistic screeching there would be, such as say from feminists if the equal pay act didn't exist), but at the same time, I don't think they can be applied to commissioned services that are in a sense a form of artistic expression since that would be compelled speech.So a general purpose store that sells finished products to people should, IMO, have to sell those products to whoever, just as if a bakery had a line-up of cakes available for sale they shouldn't be discriminatory in who they allow the final product to go to. For commissioned work specifically tailored to the purpose of those who commissioned it, such as say a painter, or in this case a baker being commissioned to bake a cake tailored to a gay wedding, I think they should have every right to refuse since forcing them to take a commission like that is IMO tantamount to compelled speech.
Thus I am pleased with the DOJ in this situation.
I agree, and I think these people just tend to want to make a fuss. There are plenty of other bakers out there they could use. There is not a cake shortage.
How much of this DOJ worked under Obama, and did any of them take the baker's side?
If these are Trump appointee's, that's one thing.. If it's the DOJ of the same folks under Obama who just happen to work under the Trump now, that's something else..
I mean, they also ruled no wiretapping happened. You don't see that reported as "Trump administration DOJ confirms no wire tapping happened to Trump administration.."
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
they have the right to refuse service to an individual for valid reasons. "i dont like your race/religion/etc" is not valid. that makes you really mad, doesnt it?
Not mad, it's just silly. They refuse to put Muhammad on because it offends their religion. Making a cake for gays offends some Christians.
Deal with it and go to another bakery if you do not like it.
Originally posted by Surtur
Not mad, it's just silly. They refuse to put Muhammad on because it offends their religion. Making a cake for gays offends some Christians.Deal with it and go to another bakery if you do not like it.
refusing to create a particular design is not the same as refusing to serve someone based on prejudice.
yes, i know you're too #triggered over the topic to comprehend.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
refusing to create a particular design is not the same as refusing to serve someone based on prejudice.
yes, i know you're too #triggered over the topic to comprehend.
They are refusing because it is offensive to their religion. That is the case in both cases I am describing lol.
Go. To. Another. Bakery.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
they are not refusing to serve the customer, they are refusing to create a design. it's not the same thing. take off your white-rage blinders for a minute, maybe have a couple of puffs of that sativa that i unwillingly bought for you, and expand your mind a bit.
The customer wants a simple design. It shouldn't hurt you anymore than some Christian serving a gay dude.
You can continue to talk about expanding your mind, etc. but dude...you are not intelligent lol. You do not come off that way. I know you have a lot of people circle jerking you, but do not let it get to your head.
Now is the part where you come talk about coping, etc. Your usual stuff.