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Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
it clearly is part of it, however, the Alt-right may just be racist to one or two groups. Most alt rightists have a hierarchy of bigotry.
"White nationalism" means that they want an ethnostate where only white people live, so perhaps just include that in any definition of the term. Also, backing up my earlier definition of the alt-right as the "far right with memes", here's the first part of the second paragraph of the Wiki article:

"In 2010, the American white nationalist Richard B. Spencer launched The Alternative Right webzine. Spencer's "alternative right" was influenced by earlier forms of American white nationalism, as well as paleoconservatism, the Dark Enlightenment, and the Nouvelle Droite. His term was shortened to "alt-right" and popularised by far-right participants of /pol/, the politics board of web forum 4chan."

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Odd given you've used that exact tactic towards me on several occasions.

Apparently now it's trolling.

Funny how that works.

I don't believe you, Post an example of me doing it and I'll apologize.

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Originally posted by jaden_2.0
How is that different from far right?
Most people agree that alt-right groups are distinctly far-right; alt-right is far-right by definition, and separation is often an aesthetic one. That aesthetic separation can be seen in that the alt-right is heavily dependent on internet meme culture, as seen in its proliferation through websites such as 4chan. "Alt-right" is essentially a subgenre of the far-right.

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Here's an example: the KKK is not alt-right, although it is far-right.

Essentially, all alt-right groups are far-right, but not all far-right groups are alt-right.

jaden_2.0 Awful
Originally posted by Silent Master
I don't believe you, Post an example of me doing it and I'll apologize.

Lol. Admirable attempt.

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i guess u wont be providing any examples

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Lol. Admirable attempt.

IOW, you were lying.

Old Man Whirly! Restricted

Originally posted by Scribble
Most people agree that alt-right groups are distinctly far-right; alt-right is far-right by definition, and separation is often an aesthetic one. That aesthetic separation can be seen in that the alt-right is heavily dependent on internet meme culture, as seen in its proliferation through websites such as 4chan. "Alt-right" is essentially a subgenre of the far-right.
wikis opinion was definitions differ.

eThneoLgrRnae Restricted
Originally posted by Scribble
Most people agree that alt-right groups are distinctly far-right; alt-right is far-right by definition, and separation is often an aesthetic one. That aesthetic separation can be seen in that the alt-right is heavily dependent on internet meme culture, as seen in its proliferation through websites such as 4chan. "Alt-right" is essentially a subgenre of the far-right.

Yes, ignorant people think far right and alt-right are the same thing because they've been conditioned by the media and those in the left to think that.

They're not actually the same though.

jaden_2.0 Awful
Originally posted by Scribble
Most people agree that alt-right groups are distinctly far-right; alt-right is far-right by definition, and separation is often an aesthetic one. That aesthetic separation can be seen in that the alt-right is heavily dependent on internet meme culture, as seen in its proliferation through websites such as 4chan. "Alt-right" is essentially a subgenre of the far-right.

It's very strange. The entire debate seems to be stuck in a loop.

When the people at Charlottesville were described as alt right there was a rush from certain quarters to say "they're not alt right" as if describing people with swastikas as alt right was insulting to the actual alt right. Now when other people are being described as alt right there's a rush to say that the real alt right are like those people at Charlottesville by the same people who said they weren't alt right previously.

Very strange.

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Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
wikis opinion was definitions differ.
Wrong. It states that "the term is ill-defined"; however, this is after the first line, which makes clear that white nationalism is key to the variations on the form that the alt-right takes: "The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected far-right, white nationalist movement based in the United States."

In its entirety once again, for the logically challenged:

"The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected far-right, white nationalist movement based in the United States. A largely online phenomenon, the alt-right originated in the U.S. during the 2010s, although it has since established a presence in various other countries. The term is ill-defined, having been used in different ways by various self-described "alt-rightists", media commentators, and academics. Groups which have been identified as alt-right also espouse white supremacism, white separatism, severe immigration restrictions, racism, xenophobia, antisemitism, antifeminism, homophobia, and islamophobia."

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Originally posted by jaden_2.0
It's very strange. The entire debate seems to be stuck in a loop.

When the people at Charlottesville were described as alt right there was a rush from certain quarters to say "they're not alt right" as if describing people with swastikas as alt right was insulting to the actual alt right. Now when other people are being described as alt right there's a rush to say that the real alt right are like those people at Charlottesville by the same people who said they weren't alt right previously.

Very strange.

Well, indeed, I think the term is mostly unuseful these days. As we can see from the conversations in this thread, the term causes contention due to differing views on what it constitutes, despite aspects of it (white nationalism especially) being clear-cut. I think sticking to the easily-defined 'far-right' is generally easier and more useful.

eThneoLgrRnae Restricted

Originally posted by Scribble
Here's an example: the KKK is not alt-right, although it is far-right.

Essentially, all alt-right groups are far-right, but not all far-right groups are alt-right.

No. KKK is alt-right because it is an alternative version of the real right.

Being "far right" just means you believe in very few laws and government control. Extreme right means you're an anarchist. Sad that so many otherwise intelligent people have such a distorted view of the political spectrum.

Very few groups, if any, are truly 'far right.'

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Old Man Whirly! Restricted

Originally posted by Scribble
Wrong. It states that "the term is ill-defined"; however, this is after the first line, which makes clear that white nationalism is key to the variations on the form that the alt-right takes: "The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected far-right, white nationalist movement based in the United States."

In its entirety once again, for the logically challenged:

"The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected far-right, white nationalist movement based in the United States. A largely online phenomenon, the alt-right originated in the U.S. during the 2010s, although it has since established a presence in various other countries. The term is ill-defined, having been used in different ways by various self-described "alt-rightists", media commentators, and academics. Groups which have been identified as alt-right also espouse white supremacism, white separatism, severe immigration restrictions, racism, xenophobia, antisemitism, antifeminism, homophobia, and islamophobia."

I'll defined means open to interpretation. Differences occur.

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Far right and alt-right aren't even remotely similar.

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Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
No. KKK is alt-right because it is an alternative version of the real right.

Being "far right" just means you believe in very few laws and government control. Extreme right means you're an anarchist. Sad that so many otherwise intelligent people have such a distorted view of the political spectrum.

Very few groups, if any, are truly 'far right.'

I don't really agree with most of this. 'Alt-right' is a modern term, so the KKK can't really fall under its ill-defined boundaries. 'Far-right' encompasses fascism in technical terms. 'Far' and 'Extreme' are more separated by willingness to action, if anything. Again, all of the Extreme Right is Far-Right, but not all of the Far-Right is Extreme Right.

But in some ways I get what you're saying; it also does depend on what version of right wing philosophy one subscribes to. A far-right libertarian believes in few laws and small government; a far-right authoritarian believes in draconian laws and large government.

eThneoLgrRnae Restricted

You're free to disagree, Scribble, but you're still wrong. They're not the same thing.

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Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'll defined means open to interpretation. Differences occur.
'Ill defined' does not mean open to interpretation to a degree where you can put any meaning you like on it.

To be alt-right is to be a white nationalist. You can choose to disagree with this, but you would be, by definition, absolutely incorrect.

Also, it's interesting that you were happy to use the Wikipedia definition as truth until it stopped serving your needs.

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Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You're free to disagree, Scribble, but you're still wrong. They're not the same thing.
Explain.