Originally posted by Surtur
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Lightly packed rally's just means less Republicans breaking social distancing compared to their Democrat counterparts, and risking Covid-19.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/612652/
But those who genuinely care about public health should not conflate the factual question of how dangerous mass protest may be during this pandemic with value judgments about whether the risk is worth it. Nevertheless, such an approach is ascendant. This week, hundreds of people in the public-health community signed an open letter, first drafted by infectious-disease experts at the University of Washington, that explicitly counsels an ideological double standard on protests.The letter noted that when “heavily armed and predominantly white protesters” entered the Michigan State Capitol late last month, “infectious disease physicians and public health officials publicly condemned these actions and privately mourned the widening rift between leaders in science and a subset of the communities that they serve.” But the letter drew a distinction between those protests and more recent ones responding to the killings of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and other African Americans by police. “A public health response to these demonstrations is also warranted, but this message must be wholly different from the response to white protesters resisting stay-home orders,” the signatories declared. “Infectious disease and public health narratives adjacent to demonstrations against racism must be consciously anti-racist, and infectious disease experts must be clear and consistent in prioritizing an anti-racist message.”
Forget public-health information––these experts are conveying a public-health narrative. The letter’s most telling passage:
Staying at home, social distancing, and public masking are effective at minimizing the spread of COVID-19. To the extent possible, we support the application of these public health best practices during demonstrations that call attention to the pervasive lethal force of white supremacy. However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States.
Notice the weaselly construction. The signatories “do not condemn these gatherings as risky” not because the potential risk for disease transmission is lower than at the Michigan protests, but because they are unwilling to criticize an anti-racist gathering, no matter how risky it might be. The implication is that protests could succeed, leading to less racism and improving public health.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
It's very strange. The entire debate seems to be stuck in a loop.When the people at Charlottesville were described as alt right there was a rush from certain quarters to say "they're not alt right" as if describing people with swastikas as alt right was insulting to the actual alt right. Now when other people are being described as alt right there's a rush to say that the real alt right are like those people at Charlottesville by the same people who said they weren't alt right previously.
Very strange.
The Far Right Spectrum according to Gavin McInnes.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
very high number of Alt lite on this forum with a significant number of Alt right from those criteria.
Please list all the members that have all the following qualities: pro white, anti jew, socially conservative, pro segregation and pro authoritarian.
Btw I'm up early today. If you have no real response feel free to deflect by noting the time of this post, I grant you my permission 🙂
Originally posted by SurturPretty sure you dont need them all in the same way you dont need to meet all criteria to be a liberal or communist. You figure it out Surt. You for instance are anti Islam, anti feminism, anti political correctness, pro weed and relatively chauvinistic in favour of the west. You also like an Authoritaian set up. You are negative about black culture etc. You tick many boxes...
Please list all the members that have all the following qualities: pro white, anti jew, socially conservative, pro segregation and pro authoritarian.Btw I'm up early today. If you have no real response feel free to deflect by noting the time of this post, I grant you my permission 🙂
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Pretty sure you dont need them all in the same way you dont need to meet all criteria to be a liberal or communist. You figure it out Surt. You for instance are anti Islam, anti feminism, anti political correctness, pro weed and relatively chauvinistic in favour of the west. You also like an Authoritaian set up. You are negative about black culture etc. You tick many boxes...
Well see no. Some of the stuff you just said is a lie, other stuff applies to tons of people.
For instance, not anti Islam. I'm against all religion. Please point out a single religion I'm in favor of kiddo.
Not anti-feminism, anti-toxic feminism. There is a difference, someone who understands nuance would get that.
Anti-PC? Most people are
Pro weed? Most are.
Favor the west? You mean, western civilization? Or what? I would think most people in the west would favor it.
I like an authoritarian set up? Another lie.
Negative about black culture? Pointing out the failings of any culture doesn't mean you are against it.
@jaden: it's really not that complicated at all.You are just being disingenuous, as lefties usually are.
There were some racist alt-righters at Charlottesville who probably considers themselves "right-wing" but not all of the people who were there protesting against removal of a Robert E. Lee statue were actually alt-right. It's just that idiots on the left think that everyone who likes Lee or other Confederate generals or the Confederate flag are, by default, "alt-right". That's not true though.
Swastikas may represent the alt-right but Confederate flags and statues do not. Though many of those who like swastikas also may like confederate symbols, doesn't mean everyone who likes Confederate symbols and statues also like swastikas.
I personally detest any Nazi symbols or ideas but Robert E.Lee was an outstanding general who was loyal to his home state when the union tried to get him on their side instead. Yes, I greatly admire Lee and always will no matter how much idiots on the left or other people may try to shame me for it but I hate Adolf Hitler with a passion.
Originally posted by Surtur
Well see no. Some of the stuff you just said is a lie, other stuff applies to tons of people.For instance, not anti Islam. I'm against all religion. Please point out a single religion I'm in favor of kiddo.
Not anti-feminism, anti-toxic feminism. There is a difference, someone who understands nuance would get that.
Anti-PC? Most people are
Pro weed? Most are.
Favor the west? You mean, western civilization? Or what? I would think most people in the west would favor it.
I like an authoritarian set up? Another lie.
Negative about black culture? Pointing out the failings of any culture doesn't mean you are against it.
LoL@him thinking being pro-western is an indicator of being alt-right.
Authoritarian? Lmao. I think he needs to look in the mirror at himself and the leftists in general.They're the authoritarians.
Originally posted by Surturwe're going to have to disagree. I think a lot of your responses are subjective and defensive. The Islam one, your responses to Ennin for Instance, you are anti other religions... however, you are from the responses anti muslim people too. Same with feminism and general negativity to womens issues. As for the rest, similar, sadly I dont have time today to pull up your posts to build a case etc. Like I say come November, I'll have done all that for a number of posters here. We can use these criteria, seems fair.
Well see no. Some of the stuff you just said is a lie, other stuff applies to tons of people.For instance, not anti Islam. I'm against all religion. Please point out a single religion I'm in favor of kiddo.
Not anti-feminism, anti-toxic feminism. There is a difference, someone who understands nuance would get that.
Anti-PC? Most people are
Pro weed? Most are.
Favor the west? You mean, western civilization? Or what? I would think most people in the west would favor it.
I like an authoritarian set up? Another lie.
Negative about black culture? Pointing out the failings of any culture doesn't mean you are against it.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeUsing Mcinnes criteria... Your thoughts in things like you old sig, God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve etc you tick many more boxes in the second column.
LoL@him thinking being pro-western is an indicator of being alt-right.Authoritarian? Lmao. I think he needs to look in the mirror at himself and the leftists in general.They're the authoritarians.