Originally posted by abhilegend
So Kingpin is a mutant or has superstrength despite never labeled as such?
yes....? 😕 why would he need to be "labeled?" evidence couldn't be any clearer that he is far above a normal human. /shrug
retroactive claims related to parker are meaningless (and ridiculous, tbh). regardless, fisk has tons of strength feats completely unrelated to parker. and i disagree too with the irrelevance of the discussion. it speaks to what 'superhuman' vs 'human' means in the comic book world.
i've brought this up in the past with characters like cap and batman--by rl human standards they are unquestionably superhuman. but comic book humans can sometimes be seen differently. even guys like old school bucky have feats that normal rl humans could never achieve, but by comic book human standards they seem less 'super'. grayson/nw? superhuman? by rl world standards--i'd say absolutely. by comic book standards? probably not.
so goob, are we talking comic book human, or rl human?
Originally posted by abhilegend
So Kingpin is a mutant or has superstrength despite never labeled as such?
Basically, yes. Welcome to comics. /srug
KP was portrayed as obviously superhuman until about the late 90s. He overmatched Spidey in pure strength on multiple occasions (with no holding back on Pete's part that is anywhere near implied by the text), and frankly had better showings against the web-head than numerous explicitly superhuman villains. The scans posted earlier are examples, but there are several others. Hell, even if you buy the "Spider-Man held back" argument (you shouldn't), the dude bent a steel beam the width of my forearm at one point. As they existed back in that Cap fight you posted, it would have been far more shocking if Fisk hadn't clearly overpowered him.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Kingpin was bad ass in the 90s Spiderman cartoon also.He was stronger than Rhino in that show. lol
They just wanted to stay true to the source material that the comics provided. 😉
But yeah, he was awesome in that show...
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Kingpin was bad ass in the 90s Spiderman cartoon also.He was stronger than Rhino in that show. lol
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Originally posted by leonidas
yes....? 😕 why would he need to be "labeled?" evidence couldn't be any clearer that he is far above a normal human. /shrugretroactive claims related to parker are meaningless (and ridiculous, tbh). regardless, fisk has tons of strength feats completely unrelated to parker. and i disagree too with the irrelevance of the discussion. it speaks to what 'superhuman' vs 'human' means in the comic book world.
i've brought this up in the past with characters like cap and batman--by rl human standards they are unquestionably superhuman. but comic book humans can sometimes be seen differently. even guys like old school bucky have feats that normal rl humans could never achieve, but by comic book human standards they seem less 'super'. grayson/nw? superhuman? by rl world standards--i'd say absolutely. by comic book standards? probably not.
so goob, are we talking comic book human, or rl human?
Originally posted by Digi
Basically, yes. Welcome to comics. /srugKP was portrayed as obviously superhuman until about the late 90s. He overmatched Spidey in pure strength on multiple occasions (with no holding back on Pete's part that is anywhere near implied by the text), and frankly had better showings against the web-head than numerous explicitly superhuman villains. The scans posted earlier are examples, but there are several others. Hell, even if you buy the "Spider-Man held back" argument (you shouldn't), the dude bent a steel beam the width of my forearm at one point. As they existed back in that Cap fight you posted, it would have been far more shocking if Fisk hadn't clearly overpowered him.
Cap is anotger human with superhuman feats. Just like Kingpin, Ox etc.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yes it was. And Who the phuck mentioned handbooks? Only u take writer interviews and bs sources like that seriously
You're on your period?
I never cared much for handbooks, they're secondary or tertiary source at best.
As for interviews, you're wrong, as Pr doesn't mind them either.
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So, when did it get retconned? Just don't mention "Back in Black", as it's not valid by any means.