Originally posted by abhilegend
You both just proved that it is possible to be human and perform superhuman feats.Cap is anotger human with superhuman feats. Just like Kingpin, Ox etc.
lol
i don't even know what that's supposed to mean. he is, clearly, superhuman by feats. since when does a 'label' in some handbook, supersede on-panel feats? and why does it matter exactly....? 😕
superhuman feats=superhuman. not complicated. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
loli don't even know what that's supposed to mean. he is, clearly, superhuman by feats. since when does a 'label' in some handbook, supersede on-panel feats? and why does it matter exactly....? 😕
superhuman feats=superhuman. not complicated. /shrug
Remember Martial Art movies where characters are able to do incredible superhuman things?
You see them fly through the air effortlessly, bust through brick walls, etc.
The premise is that they had to train hard to be this way.
The reason many accepted this is because it's still within the realm of the suspension of disbelief.
This is how comics work, relating to humans.
The characters aren't meant to be superhuman but that they are able to do incredible things due to training.
One simply can't be human and do superhuman things. This is a contradiction. If a human does something then it's proof that a human could do it.
Another angle is that comic humans are different than real humans. And why not? Different universes have different rules.
So in summary, nothing Cap has done is superhuman in terms of humans in his universe. So he's NOT superhuman in his universe in physicality.
Originally posted by leonidas
yes....? 😕 why would he need to be "labeled?" evidence couldn't be any clearer that he is far above a normal human. /shrugretroactive claims related to parker are meaningless (and ridiculous, tbh). regardless, fisk has tons of strength feats completely unrelated to parker. and i disagree too with the irrelevance of the discussion. it speaks to what 'superhuman' vs 'human' means in the comic book world.
i've brought this up in the past with characters like cap and batman--by rl human standards they are unquestionably superhuman. but comic book humans can sometimes be seen differently. even guys like old school bucky have feats that normal rl humans could never achieve, but by comic book human standards they seem less 'super'. grayson/nw? superhuman? by rl world standards--i'd say absolutely. by comic book standards? probably not.
so goob, are we talking comic book human, or rl human?
Hey use whatever def you want. The point of the thread is just to allow people to talk about how THEY see Cap so I'm not trying to lock anyone into a particular line of thinking.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Cap is the peak of what a human can become overall.So while the are stronger characters that are explicitly human [Kingpin], and some that are faster, he is maximized overall.
Same way Bane is stronger than Batman, even though Bruce trained himself to be the peak of human perfection.
Isnt bane stronger due to venom remnants?
"Human" vs "peak human" vs "superhuman" in comic book terms definitely doesn't translate to the world in which we all live.
The biggest problem with trying to make it make sense lies in durability. How often do "street level" heroes, who are theoretically just very athletic humans, get thrown through walls, smashed into by cars, blasted by various types of energy beams, etc, just to get up and keep fighting?
How often do any so-called "peak humans" or slightly below suffer a broken bone? Not often. Without benefit of any sort of healing factor, these guys (and girls) walk away from throwing down with villains who can topple buildings, or more, with barely a scratch, when in reality the strongest/fastest/toughest real-life professional athletes would be in intensive care, or worse.
Comic book "regular" human >>> real-world "peak" human.
Originally posted by GRPerry
"Human" vs "peak human" vs "superhuman" in comic book terms definitely doesn't translate to the world in which we all live.The biggest problem with trying to make it make sense lies in durability. How often do "street level" heroes, who are theoretically just very athletic humans, get thrown through walls, smashed into by cars, blasted by various types of energy beams, etc, just to get up and keep fighting?
How often do any so-called "peak humans" or slightly below suffer a broken bone? Not often. Without benefit of any sort of healing factor, these guys (and girls) walk away from throwing down with villains who can topple buildings, or more, with barely a scratch, when in reality the strongest/fastest/toughest real-life professional athletes would be in intensive care, or worse.
Comic book "regular" human >>> real-world "peak" human.
Well comics don't use exact science. We should take some feats with a grain of salt. Cap is intended to be peak human. That's all that matters.
Otherwise, we can say stupid shit like dead pool can't harm Cap with a punch since a class 100 being hit Cap with just a scratch. That's why we have the PIS rule that non one uses.