I'm honestly tired of it. I'm tired of the Russian bullshit and I just do not care anymore. I want concrete proof of nefarious or illegal doings by Donald Trump. If someone has that, great, if not? I just do not care anymore. I don't care about the 9th or 10th or 11th man at his kids meeting.
I think Trump has a bunch of business dealings with Russia in the past and wants to hide it. Not because he did anything wrong, but because he knows his opponents will pounce on ANY Russian connection.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm honestly tired of it. I'm tired of the Russian bullshit and I just do not care anymore. I want concrete proof of nefarious or illegal doings by Donald Trump. If someone has that, great, if not? I just do not care anymore. I don't care about the 9th or 10th or 11th man at his kids meeting.I think Trump has a bunch of business dealings with Russia in the past and wants to hide it. Not because he did anything wrong, but because he knows his opponents will pounce on ANY Russian connection.
Cucking for a Russian puppet gets tiring, huh?
Originally posted by Surtur
You see this is why I don't take people seriously. I feel this is a legitimate discussion to be had, I'm not even accusing Hilary of any wrong doing, but even still it seems to not matter.
"I want evidence or I do not want to hear about it anymore! But not any of the evidence that has been presented already! That evidence does not count! I want new, different evidence!"
^ That is why your claim to want to have a serious discussion is not taken seriously.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"I want evidence or I do not want to hear about it anymore! But not any of the evidence that has been presented already! That evidence does not count! I want new, different evidence!"^ That is why your claim to want to have a serious discussion is not taken seriously.
I want actual evidence, not bullshit. What concrete evidence has been presented? Name it.
You're going to have to wait until the investigation is over. R Swan Mueller III isn't going to play his cards early with an open investigation, he's a professional.
But it's weird how more and more dismissive you are, the more and more possible dirt appears. We literally have Junior showing himself that three key members of the Trump campaign at least attempted to collude. You = Meh.
My prediction, you'll just keep moving the level of proof you'll be satisfied with the deeper this goes.
Originally posted by Robtard
You're going to have to wait until the investigation is over. R Swan Mueller III isn't going to play his cards early with an open investigation, he's a professional.But it's weird how more and more dismissive you are, the more and more possible dirt appears. We literally have Junior showing himself that the Trump campaign at least attempted to collude. You = Meh.
My prediction, you'll just keep moving the level of proof you'll be satisfied with the deeper this goes.
Speaking of Mueller, what do you think about recent revelations he is looking into shit like the Miss America pageant and shit like that? Seems like an act of desperation. Folk will scream "Trump met Ron Goldstein!' or whatever the f*cks name is, but why is this pageant important? Why is Russian real estate important?
I'm just tired of the BS man. Like, people whine Trump won't give interviews, etc. He gives on to the NYT and people on CNN spend several minutes mocking and ridiculing him for it. But before people whined he wouldn't give interviews.
Originally posted by Surtur
Speaking of Mueller, what do you think about recent revelations he is looking into shit like the Miss America pageant and shit like that? Seems like an act of desperation. Folk will scream "Trump met Ron Goldstein!' or whatever the f*cks name is, but why is this pageant important? Why is Russian real estate important?I'm just tired of the BS man. Like, people whine Trump won't give interviews, etc. He gives on to the NYT and people on CNN spend several minutes mocking and ridiculing him for it.
Miss American pageant would deal with Trump's businesses and he said he's looking into that now after the meeting story broke. So he's just following a lead; doing his job. I don't see how that's an "act of desperation", but it's cool if you do.
Yeah, people are just mean to Trump. They need to treat him nicer, cos he treats people with respect.
Originally posted by Robtard
Miss American pageant would deal with Trump's businesses and he said he's looking into that now after the meeting story broke. So he's just following a lead; doing his job. I don't see how that's an "act of desperation", but it's cool if you do.Yeah, people are just mean to Trump. They need to treat him nicer, cos he treats people with respect.
It seems to me like he is desperately searching to find anything on Trump.
Query: if in 2008 Trump made a business deal with a Russian, is this newsworthy? Just curious, when does it end?
Before I said you couldn't blame anyone but the Republicans if they fail. But now? If people want to just focus on Russia, I do not want to hear whining. We can go ahead and spend the next 3 years on it if people want. We'll become a joke, but technically we can do it.
Originally posted by Surtur
Speaking of Mueller, what do you think about recent revelations he is looking into shit like the Miss America pageant and shit like that? Seems like an act of desperation. Folk will scream "Trump met Ron Goldstein!' or whatever the f*cks name is, but why is this pageant important? Why is Russian real estate important?I'm just tired of the BS man. Like, people whine Trump won't give interviews, etc. He gives on to the NYT and people on CNN spend several minutes mocking and ridiculing him for it. But before people whined he wouldn't give interviews.
Um . . .
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It should be noted that Agalarov agreed to bankroll the failing Miss Universe pageant (sad) in 2013 in exchange for the license to the Trump brand for a luxury condominium development he was planning.That is why the pageant was held in Moscow: because Agalarov wanted to use the Trump-owned pageant as an advertisement for his Trump-branded condominiums.
Putin, who was busy meeting with the King of Norway, even had Agalarov's daughter deliver Trump a gift while he was in Moscow for the pageant.
Originally posted by Surtur
It seems to me like he is desperately searching to find anything on Trump.Query: if in 2008 Trump made a business deal with a Russian, is this newsworthy? Just curious, when does it end?
Before I said you couldn't blame anyone but the Republicans if they fail. But now? If people want to just focus on Russia, I do not want to hear whining. We can go ahead and spend the next 3 years on it if people want. We'll become a joke, but technically we can do it.
This directly implies that you think Trump is innocent and that Mueller is corrupt. Okay then, hold on to that belief; we'll see how it plays out.
Really depends on the who, what, when and why and any possible connections. It could not be; it could be.
Republicans currently control all three branches of the government, any failures are solely on their hands, that's how being in charge works.
I wonder many a Nixon supporter had your very similar views back in the early stages of Watergate, "it's all lies!", "they're just trying to smear good ole Dick!", "If Nixon was guilty, we'd have known of it by now." etc. I know you know how that story ended.
Originally posted by Robtard
This directly implies that you think Trump is innocent and that Mueller is corrupt. Okay then, hold on to that belief; we'll see how it plays out.Really depends on the who, what, when and why and any possible connections. It could not be; it could be.
Republicans currently control all three branches of the government, any failures are solely on their hands, that's how being in charge works.
I wonder many a Nixon supporter had your very similar views back in the early stages of Watergate, "it's all lies!", "they're just trying to smear good ole Dick!", "If Nixon was guilty, we'd have known of it by now." etc. I know you know how that story ended.
I don't know if corrupt is the right word. You say the dude is a Revenant. On the other hand I do not doubt for a second he is feeling pressured to find something on Trump.
I am not saying he'd make some shit up, but I think he wants to turn over every single rock just on the off chance he might find something.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Go back and read the original chain of conversation I just quoted. All of the details were laid out plainly, and it was discussed for pages.
I asked this before in another thread, but I will ask it again: what do you truly feel about Trump? In what he has truly done? Is he a treasonous person conspiring with Russia? Or just a man with an ego the size of Russia who says some awfully stupid shit.
Originally posted by Surtur
I asked this before in another thread, but I will ask it again: what do you truly feel about Trump? In what he has truly done? Is he a treasonous person conspiring with Russia? Or just a man with an ego the size of Russia who says some awfully stupid shit.
At the very least, high-ranking members of his campaign colluded with Russia, and he knew about it after the fact.
At the time, he welcomed the assistance, and he lied about it, because he knew it was underhanded, but he did not think it was criminal.
Once he was in danger of being discovered, he tried to obstruct the investigation by appointing campaign officials to oversight roles and firing investigators he could not influence.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
At the very least, high-ranking members of his campaign colluded with Russia, and he knew about it after the fact.At the time, he welcomed the assistance, and he lied about it, because he knew it was underhanded, but he did not think it was criminal.
Once he was in danger of being discovered, he tried to obstruct the investigation by appointing campaign officials to oversight roles and firing investigators he could not influence.
How did they collude and why is getting information about potential collusion...collusion?
Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know if corrupt is the right word. You say the dude is a Revenant. On the other hand I do not doubt for a second he is feeling pressured to find something on Trump.I am not saying he'd make some shit up, but I think he wants to turn over every single rock just on the off chance he might find something.
You're implying Trump is innocent and Mueller's trying to find anything he could use as dirt to bring Trump down. That is you directly implying that Mueller is a corrupt cop.