Originally posted by juggerman
We don't know that it was phased into his body
The way Kitty's phasing works means if she leaves you somewhere, whatever she phased you with becomes phased with your body. She threatened Emma Frost with it in the comics, and in X2 she fell through the floor, but left her blanket half phased in the ceiling when she dropped it.
So the only explanation is that A)he got fused into concrete and shrugged it off, showing an insane durability/healing feat.
Or B) he was so tough his molecules simply didn't allow him to get fused into the concrete, which in itself is potentially even a higher durability feat.
Either way Drax doesn't have the strength to take him down, Cain has greater strength feats. And if he hits him with his knives, he should be fine considering.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/12397/1215251-axmtorn_emma4001.jpg
This deleted fight scene shows a bit more of Juggy, though obviously it can't be used for the fight. I found it interesting though.
Originally posted by juggerman
Comics =/= Movies. For all we know his body displaced the concrete.I would love nothing more than for film Juggernaut to be as badass as his in in the comics but we can't use comic feats or implications here.
Almost every single person in the movies power works at least 80% similarly to the comic. Even the vastly different ones(like Shaw) still have base similarities. I'm not using her feat against Emma. I'm using her explanation of how her powers work against Emma. The same powers she has in the movie and no producer, writer, director, etc... has come forth and said "Movie Shadowcat has different powers than Comic Shadowcat".
I said either he fused with the concrete and healed/repelled it as soon as he freed himself. Or he was simply so tough he didn't get fused with it in the first place, which would be an even more impressive durability feat. Did you read my post?
It's a stalemate either way. Even ignoring the phasing argument, Drax hasn't shown the striking power to KO someone that can headbutt their way through concrete wall after concrete wall without slowing down. And Juggernaut hasn't shown the striking power to KO someone who can laugh off the ship crash from GotG vol. 2.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
We didn't (IMHO) see enough of Juggs durability to make an accurate read on how tough he is...The only thing of note I remember Juggs doing is running through walls...
Anyway, I would need to see more out of Juggs before I could pick a winner in this fight; we just don't have enough to go on...
No durability feats? Like beung stabbed with Logans claws not even bleeding and instantly healing from it?
Originally posted by KingD19
True. Although Cain does have a higher strength feat than Ronan in crumpling an APC by jumping on it. And Ronan put Drax down pretty easy sans Gem. But I'm not sure where Ronan stands in comparison to the pinging through the asteroids and the crash.
Well, that's the thing. Drax's durability got kicked up a notch for the second film. We also see him get smacked around by the Abilisk without being hurt either. And then there is a somewhat overlooked feat during the final battle, when he, Gamora and Mantis, fall out of the ship, what looked to be at least several dozen feet, landing without any apparent strain to any of them.
Originally posted by KingD19
Almost every single person in the movies power works at least 80% similarly to the comic. Even the vastly different ones(like Shaw) still have base similarities. I'm not using her feat against Emma. I'm using her explanation of how her powers work against Emma. The same powers she has in the movie and no producer, writer, director, etc... has come forth and said "Movie Shadowcat has different powers than Comic Shadowcat".I said either he fused with the concrete and healed/repelled it as soon as he freed himself. Or he was simply so tough he didn't get fused with it in the first place, which would be an even more impressive durability feat. Did you read my post?
I did read your post and mine still stands. It doesn't matter if their powers are similar to their comic counterparts, fact is we aren't allowed to use comicbook explanations here no matter how much we may want to. For example we know from the comics that Nightcrawler actually crosses into another dimension when he teleports right? But since that little explanation is missing from the films we can't just assume it's the case. Rules is rules
You stated that either 1. Juggs brushed off having shit fused into his body or 2. he was so tough that it didn't fuse into him. I'm saying we don't know that Kitty's power would fuse anyone with anything. For all we know it just displaces the object leaving the victim completely immobilized but unharmed. Assuming they aren't just left there to die this wouldn't be typically fatal or even harmful for anyone
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It's a stalemate either way. Even ignoring the phasing argument, Drax hasn't shown the striking power to KO someone that can headbutt their way through concrete wall after concrete wall without slowing down. And Juggernaut hasn't shown the striking power to KO someone who can laugh off the ship crash from GotG vol. 2.
This is true...
With all current info, draw is the likely result...
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It's a stalemate either way. Even ignoring the phasing argument, Drax hasn't shown the striking power to KO someone that can headbutt their way through concrete wall after concrete wall without slowing down. And Juggernaut hasn't shown the striking power to KO someone who can laugh off the ship crash from GotG vol. 2.
He hits just as hard as Ronin who trashed Drax.
