Drax vs. Juggernaut

I don't recall any feats from Juggernaut to suggest he hits as hard as Ronan. Ronan was able to send Drax flying back over 20 feet with a casual palm thrust (which is especially impressive considering Drax jumped at him, so he countered Drax's forward momentum as well). And he showed better fighting skill than Juggernaut as well. Drax was also drunk, so not at his best. And Drax's durability feats from the 2nd film crap all over his fight with Ronan. During the ship crash scene, he was bouncing off several trees at high velocity, and was literally laughing when the ship finally came to a stop. He also took hits from the Abilisk (the giant monster they fought at the beginning of vol 2) without sustaining any injuries.

Juggs tossed Logan through ceilings and walls, one time through both in one hit.

He tossed Logan through the ceiling once (and Logan fell through again a second later), and through a wall once, and kicked him through a window once (and Logan clipped a bit of the wall on his way through). I don't recall him doing both in one go. And that house was wood that was covered in drywall (you can clearly see it's wood from the outside, and when Jean loses control and starts tearing off the wallpaper, as well as when it lands after she stops using her powers to levitate it), so it's not that impressive. Beyond the other strike I mentioned, Ronan sent Drax flying more than a dozen feet into a metal wall hard enough to warp it on impact. And Juggs wasn't even hitting Logan most of the time. Except for one kick, every time he sent Logan flying he was bodily tossing him.

And, again, that's ignoring the fact that, in volume 2, a sober Drax soaked up more damage than what Ronan dished out in their fight, and literally laughed it off.

Ceilings on a two story houses are not thin drywall, they are load bearing walls and ceilings and floors. Lets not play games.

Not ignoring Drax feats, but he was no way to put Juggs down. Juggs would laugh at most of his hits, much like Ronin did.

Where did I say they were thin drywall? I said that they were wood covered by drywall, which, again, is visibly shown during the scene. It's perfectly possible to build a multi-storey house out of wood.

And I literally said that Drax cannot put Juggernaut down in my first post, so not sure what you are getting at. But, going by Drax's more recent, sober durability feats, Juggernaut can't put him down either. Hence why I said stalemate.

Also, not trying to be a d***, but it's Ronan. Not Ronin.

Dude. Chill. Drax can tire, Juggs mutant ability wont let him tire. Juggs can outlast and beat him down. Thats all im saying. Btw I like Drax.

Originally posted by Sable
Dude. Chill. Drax can tire, Juggs mutant ability wont let him tire. Juggs can outlast and beat him down. Thats all im saying. Btw I like Drax.

I am perfectly chill. But if you misrepresent my statements and repeatedly get a character's name wrong, I am going to correct you.

And it is never once mentioned or shown that Fox Juggernaut's powers give him infinite stamina. His power is stated as unstoppable momentum. He's not his comic counterpart. Comic Juggs would have laughed at the metal restraints that held Fox Juggs in place. So, you have to prove via screenfeats that he can outlast Drax in a fight if you want to make that claim.

Crumbling APC trumps anything Ronan did.

Originally posted by KingD19
Crumbling APC trumps anything Ronan did.

He dented in a section of the hood when he jumped on it and then a section of roof (which broke the windscreen) when he launched himself off it. The vehicle was undamaged for the most part. And unless you think that Drax is going to lie there and wait for Juggs to step on him (after a considerable run-up), I fail to see the point of bringing it up. Ronan's actual striking feats are better. And, again, the Ronan showing is a low-end for Drax compared to other durability feats.

I mean, sure, if we use a low-end scene where Drax was drunk, then Juggernaut can win. But if we take the most current, sober Drax (which is what is normally the case in these matches, unless stated otherwise in the OP), then it's a different story.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I am perfectly chill. But if you misrepresent my statements and repeatedly get a character's name wrong, I am going to correct you.

And it is never once mentioned or shown that Fox Juggernaut's powers give him infinite stamina. His power is stated as unstoppable momentum. He's not his comic counterpart. Comic Juggs would have laughed at the metal restraints that held Fox Juggs in place. So, you have to prove via screenfeats that he can outlast Drax in a fight if you want to make that claim.

It was, "once he gains momentum, he cant be stopped." That means once hes moving, nothing is stopping him. I never claimed he was as strong as the comics. Per his defined powerset in the movie, if hes moving, he isnt being stopped. I have a hard time believing Drax could just run throgh solid concret walls like they were paper.

Originally posted by Sable
It was, "once he gains momentum, he cant be stopped." That means once hes moving, nothing is stopping him. I never claimed he was as strong as the comics. Per his defined powerset in the movie, if hes moving, he isnt being stopped. I have a hard time believing Drax could just run throgh solid concret walls like they were paper.

Having unstoppable momentum does not equal having infinite stamina. Just because something else can't stop him once he starts moving does not mean he can't tire out from continuous exertion. I also didn't say you did. My point was that things we take for granted with comic Juggs (like insane strength, and limitless stamina, for example) are not necessarily true for the Fox mutant version.

And no one said that Drax can replicate the wall run, or that Drax is even as strong as Juggernaut. But Drax has disproportionately high durability compared to his current onscreen strength showings.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He dented in a section of the hood when he jumped on it and then a section of roof (which broke the windscreen) when he launched himself off it. The vehicle was undamaged for the most part. And unless you think that Drax is going to lie there and wait for Juggs to step on him (after a considerable run-up), I fail to see the point of bringing it up. Ronan's actual striking feats are better. And, again, the Ronan showing is a low-end for Drax compared to other durability feats.

I mean, sure, if we use a low-end scene where Drax was drunk, then Juggernaut can win. But if we take the most current, sober Drax (which is what is normally the case in these matches, unless stated otherwise in the OP), then it's a different story.

King has always massively overhyped the APC feat.

Drax stomps that ass.

Juggy wins. Movie Drax is Crap.

I'm probably going to get some hate for this, but I thought that neither were good. Both are basically underpowered joke characters compared to their comic counterparts.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I'm probably going to get some hate for this, but I thought that neither were good. Both are basically underpowered joke characters compared to their comic counterparts.

Infinity War is going to have to do some serious amping to get Drax to Thanos heart-rip fatality material.

Juggernaut could be the worse comic-to-screen adaptation of a comic book character with the exception of FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer Galactus.

As for the battle, I'll lean towards Drax, but I'm really not for sure. Drax laughing off the shuttle crash should put him over the edge for a win, but Juggs was never hurt by a h2h or melee attack. Storm's lighting channeled through Logan's claws put him down, as did ramming a wall after Leech negated his powers. However, we never got to see what a Colossus-type mutant could do against Juggs, as Wolverine was his only h2h match-up.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Juggernaut could be the worse comic-to-screen adaptation of a comic book character with the exception of FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer Galactus.

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Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
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Can't pull up the video man.

Who you got? Halle Berry's Catwoman?

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Can't pull up the video man.

Who you got? Halle Berry's Catwoman?

1997 Live-action Justice League. It's terrible.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
1997 Live-action Justice League. It's terrible.

Wow, a deep cut. And yes, it's horrid.